Why doesn't anybody like Gollum?

Bantan · 09-29-2001, 12:22 AM

Gollum is sooo cool ,but everyone hates him. WHY?

P.S. oh and he was only cool in the hobbit not in the LotR

galadriel · 09-29-2001, 02:34 PM

I like Gollum, in both the Hobbit and LOTR. I wasn't under the impression that many people hated him. He's not exactly a "good guy", but he's such a cool character!! An intriguing mixture of comic and tragic.

Comic Book Guy · 09-29-2001, 04:14 PM

Gollum, besides from Fatty Bolger, is my favourite character in the Lord of the rings. People generally hate him is because of his trickses, but that was only because of his extreme lust for the ring. A humurous but pitiful character, he was a good hobbit deep down.

cee2lee2 · 09-29-2001, 04:18 PM

I don't like him but I do feel sorry for him.

Darth Tater · 09-29-2001, 09:53 PM

I pitty the poor guy, certainly don't dislike him.

Elvellon · 10-02-2001, 06:56 AM

Maybe Gollun have bad breath or smelly feet…..

Finmandos12 · 10-02-2001, 08:30 AM

Who dislikes Gollum? He's funny, especially when Sam tells him the Oliphaunt poem.

Siggles · 10-02-2001, 12:21 PM

I like it when he whimpers and cries to get his own way. That's why many of the characters pitied him so much. He knew how to work people.

Wayfarer · 10-02-2001, 08:13 PM

We likes him, me prescious, we does in deed. sssssssss. *maiacal laughter.

In fact, we liked him so much, we later modeled our joint character after him. Of course, burghash is much nastier than gollum ever was.

Legolas · 10-12-2001, 10:26 AM

Well, not everyone hates him. I personally don't like him very much, but I think he's just a poor guy who needs only a bit of warmeness, love and friendship.

Bradistic · 10-12-2001, 06:47 PM

I like Gollum, I think he's cool. Esp. the way he talks to himself, or I guess he is really talking to his ring, no make that Frodo's ring, wait make that Sauron's ring. Whatever, I basically just like the way he talks.

Kirinki54 · 10-14-2001, 12:10 PM

It is interesting to see so many humane and tolerant views on Smeagol. I myself find it hard to feel any deeper sympathy for this guy, who started out by strangling his best friend for the one Ring (yeah yeah the Ring might have egged him on) and then pursued his career in the same style.

Gollum did help to keep the Ring from Sauron by keeping hidden so long, before Bilbo came along; by guiding Sam and Frodo through Mordor; and thirdly had the grace to stumble into the volcano himself.

But a nice guy, never.

Miriel Stormrider · 10-14-2001, 08:30 PM

Yes, pitiable, especially when that small, uncorrupted corner of his mind came to the front. As a general rule, he was a sick, petty traitor, even if he was tormented by the ring. Don't forget, Frodo did show him warmth and love, but it didn't cure him. I had never thought of him as comic-relief. Interesting idea. Hmmmmm...

Strange-Looking Lurker · 10-18-2001, 07:01 PM

I don't like Gollum, but I don't hate him. Just pity him.

Darkhalcyon · 10-22-2001, 10:09 AM

I never really liked him until the one scene where tolkien comparedhimto a really oldhobbit, when he and frodo and sam were in mordor. It was like the real hobbit, smeagol, surfaced. before then he really got on my nerves

PS, cool quote, siggles!

Bregalad · 10-23-2001, 08:01 PM

I hope that I will always feel tolerant of Gollum. Not only because I pity him, and I do pity him. But also because of the respect I have for the buden he beared for so long. And I can't even imagine the weight of that burden. Even Bilbo and Frodo felt the harsh effect of the ring, and it would be hard to find two kinder hobbits than they. And Gollum had the ring for ages. Which of us could have persevered as long, and be left with even the twisted bit of humanity (or hobbanity, if you will

) that gollum still retains? I am glad that the task was left to Gollum, and none of us need ever know the answer to that question.

Kirinki54 · 10-24-2001, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bregalad
I hope that I will always feel tolerant of Gollum. Not only because I pity him, and I do pity him. But also because of the respect I have for the buden he beared for so long.

In this I can well agree!!

Comic Book Guy · 10-24-2001, 01:29 PM

Well he did kill his cousion Deagol before he got the ring, so he was a bad Hobbit without the ring. Frodo didn't kill Bilbo for the ring when he found out, I doubt he was even temped by the ring at first, Smeagol was.

Kirinki54 · 10-25-2001, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Comic Book Guy
Well he did kill his cousion Deagol before he got the ring, so he was a bad Hobbit without the ring. Frodo didn't kill Bilbo for the ring when he found out, I doubt he was even temped by the ring at first, Smeagol was.

Good point.

However does it count what mood the Ring was in? Suppose it perceived Smeagol to be a better "host" given that moment. Whereas the difference between Frodo and Bilbo was not so great.

Ah well...

Reverie · 10-25-2001, 02:10 PM

Maybe the ring only temps those who are already of weak/ill will. Smeagol felt the need to kill for it, hide it, personify it etc. right from the start. Bilbo thought it a nice souvenir to put on the mantle and Frodo called it "Bilbo's funny magic ring" even after it had been given to him. It took the magic of the ring many years to have the same possesive effect on Bilbo that Gollum had instantly. To say nothing of Frodo bearing it to Mordor!

I think Smeagol was weak willed indeed and that the ring took advantage of that. He's due some pitty, I suppose. Plus, he is one of the most interesting characters!

09-29-2001, 12:22 AM	#1
Bantan Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: lower Texas (a desolate wasteland called the Valley) Posts: 17	Why doesn't anybody like Gollum? Gollum is sooo cool ,but everyone hates him. WHY? P.S. oh and he was only cool in the hobbit not in the LotR __________________ Bantan IX "The walls have ears...Ican hear them listening"

09-29-2001, 02:34 PM	#2
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	I like Gollum, in both the Hobbit and LOTR. I wasn't under the impression that many people hated him. He's not exactly a "good guy", but he's such a cool character!! An intriguing mixture of comic and tragic. __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

09-29-2001, 09:53 PM	#5
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	I pitty the poor guy, certainly don't dislike him. __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

10-02-2001, 06:56 AM	#6
Elvellon Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lindon Posts: 637	Maybe Gollun have bad breath or smelly feet….. __________________ **************************************** "None are more hoplessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Reality is just an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein The Caffeine Mantra It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Brazil that the thoughts aquire speed, The hands aquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion... Elvellon Erelion

10-02-2001, 08:30 AM	#7
Finmandos12 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 327	Who dislikes Gollum? He's funny, especially when Sam tells him the Oliphaunt poem. __________________ The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

09-29-2001, 04:14 PM	#3
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Gollum, besides from Fatty Bolger, is my favourite character in the Lord of the rings. People generally hate him is because of his trickses, but that was only because of his extreme lust for the ring. A humurous but pitiful character, he was a good hobbit deep down.

09-29-2001, 04:18 PM	#4
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	I don't like him but I do feel sorry for him.

10-02-2001, 12:21 PM	#8
Siggles Sapling Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 4	I like it when he whimpers and cries to get his own way. That's why many of the characters pitied him so much. He knew how to work people.

10-02-2001, 08:13 PM	#9
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	We likes him, me prescious, we does in deed. sssssssss. *maiacal laughter. In fact, we liked him so much, we later modeled our joint character after him. Of course, burghash is much nastier than gollum ever was.

10-12-2001, 10:26 AM	#10
Legolas Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania Posts: 171	Well, not everyone hates him. I personally don't like him very much, but I think he's just a poor guy who needs only a bit of warmeness, love and friendship. __________________ Legolas - a stupid stubborn elf

10-12-2001, 06:47 PM	#11
Bradistic Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 35	I like Gollum, I think he's cool. Esp. the way he talks to himself, or I guess he is really talking to his ring, no make that Frodo's ring, wait make that Sauron's ring. Whatever, I basically just like the way he talks.

10-14-2001, 12:10 PM	#12
Kirinki54 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: European Union Posts: 463	It is interesting to see so many humane and tolerant views on Smeagol. I myself find it hard to feel any deeper sympathy for this guy, who started out by strangling his best friend for the one Ring (yeah yeah the Ring might have egged him on) and then pursued his career in the same style. Gollum did help to keep the Ring from Sauron by keeping hidden so long, before Bilbo came along; by guiding Sam and Frodo through Mordor; and thirdly had the grace to stumble into the volcano himself. But a nice guy, never.

10-14-2001, 08:30 PM	#13
Miriel Stormrider Enting Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: sigh Not Middle-Earth :...( Posts: 59	Yes, pitiable, especially when that small, uncorrupted corner of his mind came to the front. As a general rule, he was a sick, petty traitor, even if he was tormented by the ring. Don't forget, Frodo did show him warmth and love, but it didn't cure him. I had never thought of him as comic-relief. Interesting idea. Hmmmmm...

10-18-2001, 07:01 PM	#14
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	I don't like Gollum, but I don't hate him. Just pity him. __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

10-22-2001, 10:09 AM	#15
Darkhalcyon Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: a boring little town not too far from manhattan Posts: 140	I never really liked him until the one scene where tolkien comparedhimto a really oldhobbit, when he and frodo and sam were in mordor. It was like the real hobbit, smeagol, surfaced. before then he really got on my nerves PS, cool quote, siggles! __________________ Absolute power corrupts. Knowledge is power. Study hard, be evil.

10-23-2001, 08:01 PM	#16
Bregalad Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KY Posts: 217	Gollum I hope that I will always feel tolerant of Gollum. Not only because I pity him, and I do pity him. But also because of the respect I have for the buden he beared for so long. And I can't even imagine the weight of that burden. Even Bilbo and Frodo felt the harsh effect of the ring, and it would be hard to find two kinder hobbits than they. And Gollum had the ring for ages. Which of us could have persevered as long, and be left with even the twisted bit of humanity (or hobbanity, if you will ) that gollum still retains? I am glad that the task was left to Gollum, and none of us need ever know the answer to that question. __________________ "They have called me that ever since I said yes to an elder Ent before he had finished his question" -Quickbeam This post property of Entmoot.

10-24-2001, 01:29 PM	#18
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Well he did kill his cousion Deagol before he got the ring, so he was a bad Hobbit without the ring. Frodo didn't kill Bilbo for the ring when he found out, I doubt he was even temped by the ring at first, Smeagol was.

10-25-2001, 02:10 PM	#20
Reverie Enting Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Back Home!! Posts: 57	Maybe the ring only temps those who are already of weak/ill will. Smeagol felt the need to kill for it, hide it, personify it etc. right from the start. Bilbo thought it a nice souvenir to put on the mantle and Frodo called it "Bilbo's funny magic ring" even after it had been given to him. It took the magic of the ring many years to have the same possesive effect on Bilbo that Gollum had instantly. To say nothing of Frodo bearing it to Mordor! I think Smeagol was weak willed indeed and that the ring took advantage of that. He's due some pitty, I suppose. Plus, he is one of the most interesting characters!

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