Rangers

Andrew of the Watch · 09-18-2001, 03:59 PM

Hey All,

I'm trying to research all that Tolkien wrote on Rangers. Of the North and the Ithilian Rangers. What would be the best way to find the references from all his writings?

Thanks,
Andrew

***Ben*** · 09-18-2001, 05:47 PM

Welcome to the board!

Hmm, maybe check out the index to LotR?

Andrew of the Watch · 09-18-2001, 06:12 PM

did that.
I'm wondering how much is in the HOME, or maybe, Tolkiens letters.
Haven't read the HOME yet.

Andrew

Ñólendil · 09-18-2001, 06:23 PM

If there's something useful in the HoMe, it'd be in Vol. XII, Peoples of Middle-earth, which contains the history of the Appendices to the Lord of the Ring. Some of that contains information that was omitted from the published Appendices (apprently) by mistake, or because of space, but most are the earlier versions.

The actual Appendices, if you have not yet, should definitely be consulted. I'm sure Unfinished Tales has more for you as well.

Ultimately though it's just about studying what we know and making theories for more. Suite101.com contains the articles of Michael Martinez, celebrated (well, celebrated by the wise I might say, or the understanding and unenvious) Middle-earthian scholar. He's certainly had a few devoted to the Rangers, particularly those of the North.

ranger · 05-26-2004, 11:06 PM

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Tuor of Gondolin · 05-26-2004, 11:56 PM

Try this article by Michael Martinez in Suite.101.
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/tolkien/64660

Snowdog · 05-18-2005, 02:05 PM

The Michael Martinez writings is good, but keep in mind has alot of his personal interpretation written into it. Sort of like Peter Jackson & Fran Walsh's interpretations written into the movie screenplay.

CrazySquirrel · 05-20-2005, 09:32 AM

I like MM articles, but as I am not at all a Tolkien expert, i.e. I haven't read HOME for instance, it is hard for me to tell what is his conjecture and what is Tolkien. Do you have the same problem with MMartinez?

***Valandil*** · 05-21-2005, 08:23 AM

I think he's generally pretty careful to delineate how much is actually directly from Tolkien and at what point his conjecture, based on what Tolkien says, begins. For me that has gotten easier to discern as I've read more though. So... hang in there!

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-24-2005, 09:27 AM

i always prefer olmer's essays

don't hit me!

CrazySquirrel · 05-26-2005, 10:43 AM

Thank you, Valandil for explanations. Still I think there are some difficulties. And with Olmer essays the difficulties are really GREAT!

Forkbeard · 05-27-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazySquirrel

Thank you, Valandil for explanations. Still I think there are some difficulties. And with Olmer essays the difficulties are really GREAT!

I find MM less careful differentiating his interpretations from what Tolkien actually wrote than Valandil does, but then it depends on the subject matter. In some essays he's very careful, in others, he isn't. Still, not one I would suggest a newbie reading. Before reading either MM or Olmer (and like LCU, I like Olmer's stuff too!), I'd get ahold of Tolkien's Letters and read them, and read the biography by Humphrey Carpenter and Tom Shippey's Road to Middle Earth and a couple of other books before turning to MM. Some of MM's stuff is really good, don't get me wrong. But there's that problem you mentioned.....

Halbarad of the Dunedain · 05-27-2005, 07:03 PM

Just ask me Andrew, for I am the greatest Ranger Middle-Earth has to offer!

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-27-2005, 07:04 PM

we do of course realise that this thread is nearly 4 years old?

Snowdog · 09-20-2005, 03:14 PM

Of course its 4 years old, but a good topic none-the-less!

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Originally Posted by Halbarad of the Dunedain

Just ask me Andrew, for I am the greatest Ranger Middle-Earth has to offer!

You are also quite dead...

I think the Rangers were for the most part the closest to a Numenorean you could get.

09-18-2001, 03:59 PM	#1
Andrew of the Watch Sapling Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 3	Rangers Hey All, I'm trying to research all that Tolkien wrote on Rangers. Of the North and the Ithilian Rangers. What would be the best way to find the references from all his writings? Thanks, Andrew

09-18-2001, 05:47 PM	#2
*Ben* Retired Ent Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 60,631	Welcome to the board! Hmm, maybe check out the index to LotR? __________________ ---Ben formerly known in the forums as bmilder Owner of The Tolkien Trail and Entmoot. Buy Entmoot shirts and mugs!

09-18-2001, 06:12 PM	#3
Andrew of the Watch Sapling Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 3	Thanks did that. I'm wondering how much is in the HOME, or maybe, Tolkiens letters. Haven't read the HOME yet. Andrew

09-18-2001, 06:23 PM	#4
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	If there's something useful in the HoMe, it'd be in Vol. XII, Peoples of Middle-earth, which contains the history of the Appendices to the Lord of the Ring. Some of that contains information that was omitted from the published Appendices (apprently) by mistake, or because of space, but most are the earlier versions. The actual Appendices, if you have not yet, should definitely be consulted. I'm sure Unfinished Tales has more for you as well. Ultimately though it's just about studying what we know and making theories for more. Suite101.com contains the articles of Michael Martinez, celebrated (well, celebrated by the wise I might say, or the understanding and unenvious) Middle-earthian scholar. He's certainly had a few devoted to the Rangers, particularly those of the North. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

05-26-2004, 11:56 PM	#6
Tuor of Gondolin Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southeastern Pennsylvania Posts: 1,215	Try this article by Michael Martinez in Suite.101. http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/tolkien/64660 __________________ Democrat for Kerry-Edwards! Take Back America Aure entuluva!

05-18-2005, 02:05 PM	#7
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	The Michael Martinez writings is good, but keep in mind has alot of his personal interpretation written into it. Sort of like Peter Jackson & Fran Walsh's interpretations written into the movie screenplay. __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

05-20-2005, 09:32 AM	#8
CrazySquirrel Shape-shifting, men-grabbing NAZGUL Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 796	I like MM articles, but as I am not at all a Tolkien expert, i.e. I haven't read HOME for instance, it is hard for me to tell what is his conjecture and what is Tolkien. Do you have the same problem with MMartinez?

05-21-2005, 08:23 AM	#9
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	I think he's generally pretty careful to delineate how much is actually directly from Tolkien and at what point his conjecture, based on what Tolkien says, begins. For me that has gotten easier to discern as I've read more though. So... hang in there! __________________ My Fanfic: Letters of Firiel Tales of Nolduryon Visitors Come to Court Ñ á ë ?* ó ú é ä ï ö Ö ñ É Þ ð ß ® ™ [Xurl=Xhttp://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=ABCXYZ#postABCXYZ]text[/Xurl] Splitting Threads is SUCH Hard Work!!

05-24-2005, 09:27 AM	#10
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	i always prefer olmer's essays don't hit me!

05-26-2005, 10:43 AM	#11
CrazySquirrel Shape-shifting, men-grabbing NAZGUL Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 796	Thank you, Valandil for explanations. Still I think there are some difficulties. And with Olmer essays the difficulties are really GREAT!

05-27-2005, 07:03 PM	#13
Halbarad of the Dunedain Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arthedian Posts: 460	Just ask me Andrew, for I am the greatest Ranger Middle-Earth has to offer! __________________ "Can you feel her, running through your veins? She will always live forever!" ~ Atreyu [Her portrait in Black] "I want to see pretty people doing ugly things..." ~ Unknown "Damn it n' such!" ~ Stewie Griffen

05-27-2005, 07:04 PM	#14
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	we do of course realise that this thread is nearly 4 years old?

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