The U.S. has eradicated 'hunger'!!

Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane · 11-23-2006, 08:42 PM

So, first off, I'm not a new member...I've just been away for a while. I thought I'd kick off my return with some food for thought.

I was born and raised in Virginia. Did you know, that last year 1 in 12 people in Virginia went hungry? Well, this year no one in Virginia, or the entire United States, will go hungry.
There is no longer a word 'hunger' or 'hungry'. There are no longer hungry people. There are only people who 'do not have adequate access to food'.
This year in Virginia, according to statistics given by a teacher I respect, 2 in 12 people in Virginia will have inadequate access to food this year.

Well, atleast they aren't going hungry.

**Nurvingiel** · 11-24-2006, 04:47 AM

Are you serious?

Because that is beyond stupid. Talk about hiding your head in the sand!

Also, welcome back MBSS!

***Earniel*** · 11-24-2006, 05:20 AM

I dunno, 'inadequate access to food' sounds still like going hungry to me...

And I wouldn't want to tell a roughly 800 000 people that "No, you can't be hungry, you just have an inadequate access to food. Move along."

Lovely.

Who came up with this silly idea?

Curubethion · 11-24-2006, 04:31 PM

Well, apparently, "hunger" has political connections.

Gwaimir Windgem · 11-24-2006, 06:51 PM

Typical politicking.

cee2lee2 · 11-25-2006, 11:28 AM

'inadequate access to food'

That's ridiculous

On the other hand, in this country there is probably more of a safety net than there is elsewhere, between foods stamps and the different organizations that hand out food. Still doesn't mean some people, especially children and the elderly who can't care for themselves, aren't going hungry.

Curubethion · 11-25-2006, 01:08 PM

Oh, I forgot. Apparently "inadequate access to food" is a more scientific term than "hunger". Go figure.

Gwaimir Windgem · 11-25-2006, 05:56 PM

That's silly. They don't even mean the same thing!

***Jonathan*** · 11-25-2006, 06:08 PM

I think "inadequate access to food" is a better term than "hunger". The latter is the effect. The former is the cause.

cee2lee2 · 11-25-2006, 06:18 PM

I see your point, Jonathan. But it sounds as if the government is trying to down play the effect of its food policies.

Gwaimir Windgem · 11-25-2006, 06:35 PM

Jonathan, hunger is the real problem. IATF is only problematic, insofar as it leads to the latter.

***Jonathan*** · 11-25-2006, 07:06 PM

Hunger is a more diffuse term and can have several causes. "Inadequate access to food" narrows the problem down and is therefore a more scientifically suitable term.
Be it as it may with the food policies and the government's intentions with the word change, scientific terms are often less "charged" than colloquial words (like hunger).

**Nurvingiel** · 11-25-2006, 07:47 PM

You make a good point Jonathan, but I think people know what is meant by "hunger". Why water it down? "Inadequate access to food" is something we should combat to prevent hunger, but we shouldn't just stop saying hunger because it's a loaded term and makes us well-fed individuals feel a bit badly.

Gwaimir Windgem · 11-25-2006, 08:47 PM

Exactly. When it comes to promoting adequate access to food, charged language is a good thing.

Lotesse · 11-26-2006, 02:53 AM

never mind.

The Telcontarion · 11-26-2006, 04:22 PM

This is a very interesting thread. Typical political double speak, like calling torture pressure and special interigation.

The Gaffer · 11-27-2006, 08:51 AM

Thatcher pioneered this in the UK, by redefining "unemployment" around 20 or so times, each time resulting in a lower number of people being classed as "unemployed".

Maybe we need some new PC-style terms.

Hungry = "Comestibly challenged"?

Poverty, presumably, would be "Fiscally challenged"

etc

hectorberlioz · 11-27-2006, 06:19 PM

Bwhaha

...we also had a recent debacle about that wily word "hunger" over here in TN as well

...

It has to be the stupidest addition to the Glossary of Politically Correctness yet...

Insidious Rex · 11-28-2006, 05:43 PM

Well remember we (americans) also had a government that decided ketchup was a vegetable. So how could you have inadequate access to food if you have ketchup!

Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane · 11-30-2006, 12:01 AM

Hm...glad to see that my random appearances do have some effect.

In response to what Jonathan said, and basically a repeat of everyone else, changing the word 'hunger' to 'inadequate access to food' is just a way to a) make the certain people and certain statistics look better and b) make people feel better about the fact that they have ketchup and their next door neighbors do not.

Since when did ketchup become a vegetable anyway?

*And Now For Our Commercial Break*
Scientifically engineered squishy veggies: "Now you too can have obese children because even the thought of french fries scare them!"

Speaking of obesity: We did a problem in physics today about the mass of Earth and moon's orbital radius. Because of the rounding that the class did the mass of Earth ended up being slightly more than that given in the chart. So ofcourse a joke was made about someone always knowing that the Earth acctually was gaining mass and that mass being caused by Americans and obesity...not on topic, but a thought I thought to mention anyway.

11-23-2006, 08:42 PM	#1
Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 103	The U.S. has eradicated 'hunger'!! So, first off, I'm not a new member...I've just been away for a while. I thought I'd kick off my return with some food for thought. I was born and raised in Virginia. Did you know, that last year 1 in 12 people in Virginia went hungry? Well, this year no one in Virginia, or the entire United States, will go hungry. There is no longer a word 'hunger' or 'hungry'. There are no longer hungry people. There are only people who 'do not have adequate access to food'. This year in Virginia, according to statistics given by a teacher I respect, 2 in 12 people in Virginia will have inadequate access to food this year. Well, atleast they aren't going hungry. __________________ "Not only did my encounters with voters confirm the fundamental decency of the American people, they also reminded me that at the core of the American experience are a set of ideals that continue to stir our collective conscience; a common set of values that bind us together despite our differences; a running thread of hope that makes our improbable experiment in democracy work..." Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope Last edited by Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane : 11-23-2006 at 08:53 PM.

11-24-2006, 05:20 AM	#3
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I dunno, 'inadequate access to food' sounds still like going hungry to me... And I wouldn't want to tell a roughly 800 000 people that "No, you can't be hungry, you just have an inadequate access to food. Move along." Lovely. Who came up with this silly idea? __________________ We are not things.

11-24-2006, 04:31 PM	#4
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	Well, apparently, "hunger" has political connections. __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

11-24-2006, 06:51 PM	#5
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Typical politicking. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

11-25-2006, 01:08 PM	#7
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	Oh, I forgot. Apparently "inadequate access to food" is a more scientific term than "hunger". Go figure. __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

11-25-2006, 11:28 AM	#6
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	'inadequate access to food' That's ridiculous On the other hand, in this country there is probably more of a safety net than there is elsewhere, between foods stamps and the different organizations that hand out food. Still doesn't mean some people, especially children and the elderly who can't care for themselves, aren't going hungry.

11-25-2006, 05:56 PM	#8
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	That's silly. They don't even mean the same thing! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

11-25-2006, 06:08 PM	#9
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	I think "inadequate access to food" is a better term than "hunger". The latter is the effect. The former is the cause. __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

11-25-2006, 06:18 PM	#10
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	I see your point, Jonathan. But it sounds as if the government is trying to down play the effect of its food policies.

11-25-2006, 06:35 PM	#11
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Jonathan, hunger is the real problem. IATF is only problematic, insofar as it leads to the latter. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

11-25-2006, 07:06 PM	#12
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	Hunger is a more diffuse term and can have several causes. "Inadequate access to food" narrows the problem down and is therefore a more scientifically suitable term. Be it as it may with the food policies and the government's intentions with the word change, scientific terms are often less "charged" than colloquial words (like hunger). __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

11-25-2006, 08:47 PM	#14
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Exactly. When it comes to promoting adequate access to food, charged language is a good thing. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

11-26-2006, 02:53 AM	#15
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	never mind. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Last edited by Lotesse : 11-26-2006 at 05:22 AM.

11-26-2006, 04:22 PM	#16
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	This is a very interesting thread. Typical political double speak, like calling torture pressure and special interigation. __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

11-27-2006, 08:51 AM	#17
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Thatcher pioneered this in the UK, by redefining "unemployment" around 20 or so times, each time resulting in a lower number of people being classed as "unemployed". Maybe we need some new PC-style terms. Hungry = "Comestibly challenged"? Poverty, presumably, would be "Fiscally challenged" etc

11-27-2006, 06:19 PM	#18
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Bwhaha...we also had a recent debacle about that wily word "hunger" over here in TN as well... It has to be the stupidest addition to the Glossary of Politically Correctness yet... __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

11-28-2006, 05:43 PM	#19
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	Well remember we (americans) also had a government that decided ketchup was a vegetable. So how could you have inadequate access to food if you have ketchup! __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

11-30-2006, 12:01 AM	#20
Master'sBaneSwiftSnowmane Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 103	Hm...glad to see that my random appearances do have some effect. In response to what Jonathan said, and basically a repeat of everyone else, changing the word 'hunger' to 'inadequate access to food' is just a way to a) make the certain people and certain statistics look better and b) make people feel better about the fact that they have ketchup and their next door neighbors do not. Since when did ketchup become a vegetable anyway? And Now For Our Commercial Break Scientifically engineered squishy veggies: "Now you too can have obese children because even the thought of french fries scare them!" Speaking of obesity: We did a problem in physics today about the mass of Earth and moon's orbital radius. Because of the rounding that the class did the mass of Earth ended up being slightly more than that given in the chart. So ofcourse a joke was made about someone always knowing that the Earth acctually was gaining mass and that mass being caused by Americans and obesity...not on topic, but a thought I thought to mention anyway. __________________ "Not only did my encounters with voters confirm the fundamental decency of the American people, they also reminded me that at the core of the American experience are a set of ideals that continue to stir our collective conscience; a common set of values that bind us together despite our differences; a running thread of hope that makes our improbable experiment in democracy work..." Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope