Who created the ents?

The Wizard from Milan · 03-26-2006, 10:19 PM

Do we know from canon who created the ents?
Are they children of Iluvatar? or are they creations of Yavanna? or some other Vala?

EDIT: I had mixed up Yavanna with Varda

Farimir Captain of Gondor · 03-26-2006, 10:36 PM

IIRC, it was the the elves who first woke the trees up and began teaching them to speak.

Great, now I'm going to have to go and find that quote in TTT and post it.

I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable ME history people could answer this better than I.

Arien the Maia · 03-26-2006, 11:05 PM

WAs it not Yavanna who thought up the concept of the Ents? She desired beings to look after her beloved trees. In the end though, it is Iluvatar who gives life and being to any idea that a Vala might have...i.e. Aule devised the Dwarves.

The Wizard from Milan · 03-28-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Farimir Captain of Gondor

IIRC, it was the the elves who first woke the trees up and began teaching them to speak.

I remember this quote now.

Wasn't it about the huorn? It definitely was anbiguos IIRC

The Wizard from Milan · 03-28-2006, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Arien the Maia

WAs it not Yavanna who thought up the concept of the Ents? She desired beings to look after her beloved trees.

I seem to remeber that too, now.

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Originally Posted by Arien the Maia

In the end though, it is Iluvatar who gives life and being to any idea that a Vala might have...i.e. Aule devised the Dwarves.

I agree

Jon S. · 04-02-2006, 07:51 PM

... said Yavanna, ... "Would that the trees might speak on behalf of all things that hve roots, and punish those that wrong them!"

"This is a strange thought," said Manwe.

"Yet it was in the Song," said Yavanna, "For while though wert in the heavens and with Ulmo built the clouds and poured out the rain, I lifted up the branches of great trees to receive them, and some sang to Illuvatar amid the wind and the rain."

Then Manwe sat silent, and the thought of Yavanna that she had put into his heart grew and unfolded; and it was beheld by Illuvatar. Then it seemed to Manwe that the Song rose once more about him, and he heeded now many things therein that though he had heard them he had not heeded before. ...

...

"Nay," [Manwe] said, "only the trees of Aule will be tall enough. In the mountains the Eagles shall house, and hear the voices of those who call upon us. But in the forests shall walk the Shepherds of the Trees."

Then Manwe and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to Aule; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. "Eru is bountiful," she said. "Now let thy children [the Dwarves] beware. For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril."

"Nonetheless they will have need of wood," said Aule, and he went on with his smith-work.

S Ch. 2 (Of Aule and Yavanna)

Sam · 04-23-2006, 07:09 PM

In reading a book by David Day called Tolkien the Illustrated Encyclopaedia, I found this quote,"They came from the thoughts of Yavanna, and were her shepherds of trees."

Lizra · 04-23-2006, 10:51 PM

Yes....yes....but who came first...ents or Bombadill?

Sam · 04-24-2006, 01:05 AM

Tom Bombadil, of course

inked · 04-26-2006, 09:54 AM

Nah, it was the Ents.

KingTheoden · 04-27-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

In reading a book by David Day called Tolkien the Illustrated Encyclopaedia, I found this quote,"They came from the thoughts of Yavanna, and were her shepherds of trees."

yeah...i agree your post.

ents are creatures of Yavanna.

***Tessar*** · 04-27-2006, 02:41 PM

Don't be silly.

They're clearly the results of early tests with Miracle-Grow

.

Spock · 04-27-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tessar

Don't be silly.

They're clearly the results of early tests with Miracle-Grow

.

I tend to agree with that.

According to my sources:

They are inhabited by spirits summoned by the thought of Yavanna to be the guardians of the olvar until the Dominion of Men.

They awoke at the same time as the Elves and the Eldar gave them the desire to speak and taught them Quenya and Sindarin.

Sam · 04-27-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by inked

Nah, it was the Ents.

no way, bombadil was there before the creation of arda

gwilwileth · 05-31-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lizra

who came first...ents or Bombadill?

I would like to say ents , but its Bombadill

gwilwileth · 05-31-2006, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam

In reading a book by David Day called Tolkien the Illustrated Encyclopaedia, I found this quote,"They came from the thoughts of Yavanna, and were her shepherds of trees."

Hey I have that book!

03-26-2006, 10:19 PM	#1
The Wizard from Milan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 421	Who created the ents? Do we know from canon who created the ents? Are they children of Iluvatar? or are they creations of Yavanna? or some other Vala? EDIT: I had mixed up Yavanna with Varda Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 03-28-2006 at 12:28 AM.

03-26-2006, 10:36 PM	#2
Farimir Captain of Gondor Spaceman Spiff Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In the belly of a Firefly, living in Serenity is where you'll find me Posts: 1,438	IIRC, it was the the elves who first woke the trees up and began teaching them to speak. Great, now I'm going to have to go and find that quote in TTT and post it. I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable ME history people could answer this better than I. __________________ Do you hear that?

04-23-2006, 07:09 PM	#7
Sam Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 251	In reading a book by David Day called Tolkien the Illustrated Encyclopaedia, I found this quote,"They came from the thoughts of Yavanna, and were her shepherds of trees." __________________ Sam, son of Mark

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Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Yes....yes....but who came first...ents or Bombadill? __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

04-24-2006, 01:05 AM	#9
Sam Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 251	Tom Bombadil, of course __________________ Sam, son of Mark

03-26-2006, 11:05 PM	#3
Arien the Maia Fëanáro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	WAs it not Yavanna who thought up the concept of the Ents? She desired beings to look after her beloved trees. In the end though, it is Iluvatar who gives life and being to any idea that a Vala might have...i.e. Aule devised the Dwarves.

04-02-2006, 07:51 PM	#6
Jon S. Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 455	... said Yavanna, ... "Would that the trees might speak on behalf of all things that hve roots, and punish those that wrong them!" "This is a strange thought," said Manwe. "Yet it was in the Song," said Yavanna, "For while though wert in the heavens and with Ulmo built the clouds and poured out the rain, I lifted up the branches of great trees to receive them, and some sang to Illuvatar amid the wind and the rain." Then Manwe sat silent, and the thought of Yavanna that she had put into his heart grew and unfolded; and it was beheld by Illuvatar. Then it seemed to Manwe that the Song rose once more about him, and he heeded now many things therein that though he had heard them he had not heeded before. ... ... "Nay," [Manwe] said, "only the trees of Aule will be tall enough. In the mountains the Eagles shall house, and hear the voices of those who call upon us. But in the forests shall walk the Shepherds of the Trees." Then Manwe and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to Aule; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. "Eru is bountiful," she said. "Now let thy children [the Dwarves] beware. For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril." "Nonetheless they will have need of wood," said Aule, and he went on with his smith-work. S Ch. 2 (Of Aule and Yavanna)

04-26-2006, 09:54 AM	#10
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Nah, it was the Ents. __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

04-27-2006, 02:41 PM	#12
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	Don't be silly. They're clearly the results of early tests with Miracle-Grow .

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