09-09-2004, 04:07 PM | #1 |
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The Ring and those of power
This is something that has been bugging me for a while so I decided to start a thread on it.
If the Ring had passed to Valinor what would have happened. What if one of the Valar possesed it, say Manwe or Ulmo, would they have been able to conquer and possibly destroy it or would they have arisen as a new ienev more powerful Dark Lord. Does it say anything or is it something we will just never know!
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
09-09-2004, 04:15 PM | #2 |
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Well, rest easy. I think Elrond says something in the chapter 'The Council of Elrond' about how those in the West would not receive it... that it belonged to Middle Earth and was for those in Middle Earth to handle the situation.
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09-09-2004, 04:18 PM | #3 |
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They could surely resist the temptation. And I don't think the Ring will affect them, as they're mcu hstronger than it, and than Sauron. I'm not sure if they could destroy it - I believe they could. But that the people of Middle Earth could not sail for them to help - they had to solve this themselves.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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09-09-2004, 04:22 PM | #5 |
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I don't think the Valar would risk bringing an evil thing like the Ring into the Blessed Realm. Besides, it would be bad for the moral of the people in Middle Earth. It is better for them to deal with their problems themselves, and be enhanced in the process.
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09-09-2004, 04:36 PM | #6 |
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Aren't we're talking about the theoretical possibility that the Ring somehow gets to the Valar? Because it was obviously not.. practical? Wasn't it his question?
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09-09-2004, 04:39 PM | #7 |
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Yes it was.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
09-09-2004, 04:58 PM | #8 |
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The ring would have effected the Valar similar to the way it effected Tom Bombadil. In no way at all. Probably less even! The Valar could have probably destroyed the ring, as it says the ring could be destroyed by the undying fire where it was made, by the very hand of its maker, or someone of equal or greater power. Like Aule the greates Smith of them all! So if the Valar had cared for the matter, it could have been over in seconds. Yet as it has been said before Middle-Earth's fate is Middle-Earths fate and the Valar will not intervein. They removed Morgoth and then they were done. I am pretty sure that it is said somehwere that the Valar will return in the final battle, similar to Ragnarok in Norse myth, and all will fall and the world will crumble. Yet I digress! The ring would not go to Valinor and the Valar would do nothing about it, and thats the answer.
I do wonder though... if the ring did come to Valinor in some way, not in an attempt for the help of the Valar, but just brought there somehow. I wonder if one of the noble elven divisions, like the Vanyar, had allowed one ofthem to attain the ring. Would one of the elves of Valinor become corrupted!? They are just elves after all.
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09-09-2004, 04:59 PM | #9 |
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They probably would have been corrupted.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
09-09-2004, 05:48 PM | #10 |
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Why? The Ring's temptation was for power and dominion. They already have that, so what's the allure of a (very) little more?
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09-09-2004, 09:23 PM | #11 |
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The elves of Valinor had no dommination! The valar had plenty of "power" but the elves, while elves of valinor, are still elves. and even elves are subject to the one ring. If one had taken the ring they would have owned all of ME...
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09-10-2004, 02:33 AM | #12 |
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Even Gandalf who was a Maia was tempted by it so why shouldn't the elves be.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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It's saying something that neither the Teleri or the Vanyar joined the Noldor in their return to Middle-earth. The Vanyar were content to be in the light and presence of the Valar and the Teleri wanted nothing more than to wander the Undying Shores and sail the Sea. What temptation could the ring offer them what they did not have already? The Elves of Middle-earth used their three rings to preserve their realm, the Elves of Valinor would not have needed to do such things since their realm is unchanging.
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09-10-2004, 01:00 PM | #15 |
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I think other elves would have been tempted by it aswell.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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Any of the Eruhini, and the Maiar as well, would be tempted by the Ring. Whether or not they resisted the temptation is another question.
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I actually agree with Earniel, I don't think the Elves would want the Ring. They didn't need it, nor they needed power. They had everything they wanted in Valinor. |
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They may not have wanted it but would they have taken it if they were offered it?
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 Last edited by Telcontar_Dunedain : 09-10-2004 at 04:21 PM. |
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