Pleasure Models

afro-elf · 04-16-2004, 04:10 AM

If the technology becomes available to create bioroids( biological androids), like the replicants of Blade Runner. Would you be for, against, or neutral to the idea of pleasure models?

If against would you stand in the way of others who wanted them?

***IronParrot*** · 04-16-2004, 05:24 AM

I don't see why they would be problematic - with certain reservations. First of all, the development of "bioroids" in any case has to fall under one of two categories: either their human consciousness is developed to the same extent of rationality and sentience as ourselves, which would imply they should be treated as individuals with free will to the same extent as ordinary human beings; or alternatively, specifically for the purpose of servitude to human beings, as in under the Laws of Robotics, where their own existence is secondary to our own.

In the first case, we should find this reprehensible for the same reasons many of us find prostitution reprehensible: the question of preserving individual dignity. In the second case - which I personally favour - I don't think it's an issue, but it does mean that you have to specifically design androids with certain mental limitations; i.e. they should not be fully sentient. In the latter, nothing separates them from being hi-tech dildoes and blow-up dolls aside from their being more realistic in the superficial sense.

Naturally, in either case, you need a framework for legal matters like property damage in the case that you're dealing with sadomasochists who suddenly think it's okay because they're not doing it to a live human being.

Radagast · 04-16-2004, 11:58 AM

Nice to see you posting again, IronParrot.

brownjenkins · 04-16-2004, 01:49 PM

seeing how it worked out for the tyrell corporation, i'd have my reservations... i'm not much of a daryl hannah fan either, though sean young is kinda cute

i'm agree with IP on the general idea though... it all depends upon the sentience factor

Anglorfin · 04-17-2004, 03:07 AM

On a personal level I see no problem with it. But after reading what IP had to say about property damage and sadomasochists I have my doubts on a psychological level. Suppose people like this would tend to get more violent, and then stay that way as the line between being real and being machine gets thinner.

The Gaffer · 04-28-2004, 04:03 AM

I don't think this kind of technology will be with us for centuries. Even then, it's likely to be so expensive that it would be far easier to employ a human or "specialised" robot. Something that looks like a Telefunken U-47 with marital aids stuck all over it. (Don't forget Frank's morality tale of using machines for sexual gratification.)

Draken · 04-28-2004, 04:34 AM

A Replicant Showroom, circa 2050

Customer: "...well I'm almost convinced. Are there ANY drawbacks?"

Salesman: "Well...there is a very small chance that some models MAY now and then show signs of hostility and slightly raised aggression levels."

Customer: "How hostile and aggressive?"

Salesman: "Well, as a for instance, one MIGHT, just occasionally, crush you head to the size of an orange with her bare hands."

Customer: "Hmm, that IS a slight minus...but what the hell, I'll have a Marilyn Monroe 1960 model, a Kate Bush 1980, two Britney Spears 2003s and something sporty for the weekend...um...a Pamela Anderson 1998, say."

Salesman: "And will you want the luxury upholstery version of the Pamela Anderson?"

Customer: "Yep, I rather think so."

Lizra · 04-28-2004, 08:22 AM

Ha!

"It said ...One size fits all!..."

04-16-2004, 04:10 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Pleasure Models If the technology becomes available to create bioroids( biological androids), like the replicants of Blade Runner. Would you be for, against, or neutral to the idea of pleasure models? If against would you stand in the way of others who wanted them?

04-16-2004, 05:24 AM	#2
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	I don't see why they would be problematic - with certain reservations. First of all, the development of "bioroids" in any case has to fall under one of two categories: either their human consciousness is developed to the same extent of rationality and sentience as ourselves, which would imply they should be treated as individuals with free will to the same extent as ordinary human beings; or alternatively, specifically for the purpose of servitude to human beings, as in under the Laws of Robotics, where their own existence is secondary to our own. In the first case, we should find this reprehensible for the same reasons many of us find prostitution reprehensible: the question of preserving individual dignity. In the second case - which I personally favour - I don't think it's an issue, but it does mean that you have to specifically design androids with certain mental limitations; i.e. they should not be fully sentient. In the latter, nothing separates them from being hi-tech dildoes and blow-up dolls aside from their being more realistic in the superficial sense. Naturally, in either case, you need a framework for legal matters like property damage in the case that you're dealing with sadomasochists who suddenly think it's okay because they're not doing it to a live human being. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

04-16-2004, 11:58 AM	#3
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04-16-2004, 01:49 PM	#4
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	seeing how it worked out for the tyrell corporation, i'd have my reservations... i'm not much of a daryl hannah fan either, though sean young is kinda cute i'm agree with IP on the general idea though... it all depends upon the sentience factor __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

04-17-2004, 03:07 AM	#5
Anglorfin Alasailon Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: college Posts: 861	On a personal level I see no problem with it. But after reading what IP had to say about property damage and sadomasochists I have my doubts on a psychological level. Suppose people like this would tend to get more violent, and then stay that way as the line between being real and being machine gets thinner. __________________ "and then this hobbit was walking, and then this elf jumped out of a bush and totally flipped out on him while wailing on his guitar." "Anglorfin was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of anger; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was great skill."

04-28-2004, 04:03 AM	#6
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	I don't think this kind of technology will be with us for centuries. Even then, it's likely to be so expensive that it would be far easier to employ a human or "specialised" robot. Something that looks like a Telefunken U-47 with marital aids stuck all over it. (Don't forget Frank's morality tale of using machines for sexual gratification.) Last edited by The Gaffer : 04-28-2004 at 04:04 AM.

04-28-2004, 04:34 AM	#7
Draken Elf Lord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, England Posts: 694	A Replicant Showroom, circa 2050 Customer: "...well I'm almost convinced. Are there ANY drawbacks?" Salesman: "Well...there is a very small chance that some models MAY now and then show signs of hostility and slightly raised aggression levels." Customer: "How hostile and aggressive?" Salesman: "Well, as a for instance, one MIGHT, just occasionally, crush you head to the size of an orange with her bare hands." Customer: "Hmm, that IS a slight minus...but what the hell, I'll have a Marilyn Monroe 1960 model, a Kate Bush 1980, two Britney Spears 2003s and something sporty for the weekend...um...a Pamela Anderson 1998, say." Salesman: "And will you want the luxury upholstery version of the Pamela Anderson?" Customer: "Yep, I rather think so." __________________ I'm beset by self-doubt ....or am I?

04-28-2004, 08:22 AM	#8
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Ha! "It said ...One size fits all!..." __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

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