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Sauron is an eye
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This is probably another old topic and probably more suitable in the books section, but it's really been bugging me with the Jackson film so I figured this is a good place for it. What's the deal with Sauron being a disembodied eye? It has always been my interpretation that Sauron has a body, and I don't really think that that's disputable, is it? At one point Frodo says to Gollum something like Isildur cut the finger from his hand. And Gollum replies "Yes, there are only 4 fingers on the black hand, but they are enough." I think it's very cool that Sauron has to sustain physical disabilities which he suffered in an previous incarnation. Anyway, Jackson & Co. are going all out saying that Sauron is nothing more than a single propane generated eye. I always liked the image of the eye as a symbol of Sauron (though I prefer the image of a dead eye (glazed, yellow as a cat's) rimmed with fire), but not as the entire physical form of Sauron. What's the deal with that? Yazad Last edited by Yazad : 12-20-2002 at 02:08 PM. |
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I don't think that they mean that Sauron is only an eye. The way I see it (maybe it's just the books making me think this) is that Sauron has a physical form in Barad-Dûr. The eye is just his far-seeing manifestation.
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Sauron could never take fair form again. Evidently his form became man like and somewhat larger than man size. His skin appeared black and burning hot.
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![]() well think of it this way if Saurun is just an eye than how would he have put the ring on?
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SGH, i'd like to know more about that bit of the story, what part of what book is that in?
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i always assumed ( cant remember if i saw it somewhere or in that case where it was sorry) that sauron was like a spirit in the darkness of mirkwood before he returned to barad dur and there he sits in his tower and sees all, all the while unable to assume a physical form.
i think what PJ was meaning was that all they need for the film is the Eye because they only had that little bit at the start of Fellowship with sauron in physical form, sort of like he said with treebeard they just had a huge talking head on set with Pippin and Merry, treebeard isnt really just a huge mechanical head...
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sauron defintally has a physical form by the time of lord of the rings what use is the ring if he hasnt got a finger to put it on.
This was probably just an oversight by the producers
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I expect that if disembodied, Sauron could have use a metaphysical 'finger' to use the ring. Just regaining would have greatly incresed his strenth, including to assume/change phsycical form.
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![]() Than again maybe PJ used the eye because it would be easier for the audiance to understand and it would make the movie able to flow better because the book flows because it is alowed to because there is no limit on pages but a movie has a limit and that is the time that the audiance can stand and the ability of people whou didn't read the book to understand it while staying true so that the people who read the book won't get mad
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When I was reading the book, I didn't picture Sauron as some guy walking around in a tower giving orders, but more of a malevolent presence. Perhaps that was what PJ was trying to get across to the audience.
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I think that if Sauron is represented by a large burning eye and he was ever able to retrieve the One Ring, it would try to conform to him as it did with other ringbearers.
In Sauron's case, the One Ring will turn into one gigantic burning contact lens. ![]()
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In the early writings of Tolkien, he said that Sauron was a... CAT!
![]() I found it in the book of lost tales I, foreword.
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i think that at the top of Barad dur and in the fellowship when gandalf went to grab the ring in Bag End PJ had to put the eye there it would be hard to display in the movie that the carachters felt that he was watching them... like when frodo was on the seat at Amon Hen and he was searching and he felt the eye on him...
sauron a cat eh? well thats an idea i had never ever thought of
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Hmmm...Sauron the cat searching for his collarbell of power:
One collarbell to rule them all One collarbell to find them One collarbell to bring them all and in the litterbox bind them... ![]()
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Sauron took the form of a
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"In The Book Of Lost Tales the princes of the Noldor have scarcely emerged, nor the Grey-elves of Beleriand; Beren is an Elf, not a Man, and his captor, the ultimate precursor of Sauron in that rôle, is a monstrous cat inhabited by a fiend ... Book of Lost Tales I, foreword. ![]()
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Hey, I wasn't saying I didn't believe you.
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![]() but, why only depict him as only an eye..and not the body too?
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