11-18-2003, 11:35 PM | #1 |
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Polygamy
What are your opinions on it? Should countries allow it or not and why?
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11-19-2003, 02:19 AM | #2 |
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From everything that I've read and experienced, polygamy would be a very bad idea. It is hard enough for two people to get along. If another person was added it would make life a whole lot harder.
In Christian tradition, monogamy is the norm. I believe that most societies today are also monogamous;however, in the Muslim faith, a man may have up to four wives. |
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11-19-2003, 02:06 PM | #6 |
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By all means, we must protect people from their own inability to make good choices. Maybe the government should tell us how much ice cream we can eat or which majors we can take in college. Freedom is just such a bother anyway.
Polygamy is usually found where there is a bias in the population with regards to sex;either is social class or in ratio. It serves little real purpose except to create a long proportion of socially disenfranchised singles, such as in Muslim cultures. Some blame the terrorist activities on the large numbers of single men without a partner due to low social status. Might be a stretch. The Mormans outlawed polygamy in order for Utah to become a state. There are still sects that practise it, but it is more of a form of status than lifestyle choice. The brides are usually very young and not necessarily completely willing participants.
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11-19-2003, 02:38 PM | #7 |
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Cirdan is right about the Mormons and their offshoot groups that still practice polygamy... AND about the brides. Those brides are often also prob quite unaware of the state of things in the "outside world"... these groups are so insular.
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My goodness the culture bias in here is so thick you could cut it with a knife. I love the "anyone who doesnt live like me is a moron" mentality its really quite amusing. Cirdan i do hope you are sticking to only vanilla. Dont make me send the thought police over there for you.
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Well I-Rex, good thing at least YOU are smarter than all the rest of us!
(ed: PS - do you dispute the points made about Mormon offshoot groups?) Last edited by Valandil : 11-19-2003 at 03:45 PM. |
11-19-2003, 04:29 PM | #10 |
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I am inclined to agree with I-Rex. The cultural bias is very strong in here. Why are we so keen to impose our monogamous views over polygamy? To all intents and purposes, hominids probably started out using that model before switching over to monogamy (and fairly recently at that.) Polygamy does not have to about sexual subordination - and the muslim world is perhaps not the best example to be had for polygamy.
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I-Rex's post (and perhaps I reacted too strongly, sorry if I did so) sounds to me like the kind of thinking that has bought into the contemporary dogma that 'all value systems are equal' to such an extent, that when an ACTUAL values system, with real convictions, rears its head, it is to be treated with contempt and condescension. To me, that seems both unjustified and ironic. That's how it reads to me, anyway... am I misreading you, I-Rex? And... BoP - are you calling for a return to polygamy yourself? What would be YOUR cultural biases about it... including those garnered from your study? Good thing or bad? Or is it "wrong" to label it one way or the other? Would you see the validity of such an arrangement... in today's modern society? |
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11-19-2003, 04:43 PM | #12 |
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Well, the only ones I can think of are some Mormons, some Muslims, and some primitive cultures; in the first two, I'm almost certain it's man-many women only, and in the latter, the only ones I've heard of had it that way, though I'm sure that there are several that aren't. Overall, however, it seems to me that polygamy normally equates haremism. Of course, it isn't always that way, but I definitely think that haremism is wrong; I can't see how it could help but make women into property. As for true, unbiased polygamy, the only objections I can think of are related to my religion (yes, the sexual image of union between Christ and Church , and also in an unusual way the sanctity of marriage), so I don't think I'd call it wrong for the secular, public standard. Daisy does bring up a good point, but I think that would apply more to personal choice than legislation. So, upon a cursory examination, I see no reason for polygamy to be illegal, except for a lingering influence of Christianity, or the "judgmental bastards", as one person put it so well.
I-Rex: I know this sounds silly, but I'm not sure: did you mean, "moron", or "mormon"? BoP: Could you offer us a better example of polygamy?
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No, Gwamir, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, other than some obscure pacific island practises in Melanesia...
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You do realize that if I was on a message board where the norm was polygamy and a bunch of people came on and started saying well those one wife people they are all morons well I would be the first there to defend you point of view despite the fact yer jumping all over me here. Now where is the irony again? Quote:
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From there, we all went downhill. Misunderstandings happen all too easily... (edit: PS - in case that doesn't pass as an apology where you come from, let me make it clear: sorry if I said anything too strongly and got under anyone's skin while we were all not reading each other. In their own context, I stand by what I said... but I don't think I quite understood where everyone else was coming from when I said them. Start over?) Last edited by Valandil : 11-19-2003 at 05:23 PM. |
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Heres a solution:
All hands up who think mormons are morons.
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