02-15-2002, 02:31 PM | #1 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: California
Posts: 103
|
Voice of Saruman in Two Towers movie
Hope they dont stray too much from the dialogue when they come to the part where Gandalf confronts Saruman after Treebeards attack- it will be tricky to bring the effects of Sarumans voice to the big screen.
__________________
Swords are of no more use here ... All that is gold does not glitter nor are all those who wander lost...... |
02-15-2002, 02:42 PM | #2 |
Peer of the realm of Sanguine
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ
Posts: 798
|
I don't think there will be anything at all about the voice of Saruman. It's too subtle and not visual.
__________________
“"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider," Fear Complacency! ___________________ Something under the bed is drooling |
02-15-2002, 03:06 PM | #3 |
EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED
DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 1,176
|
Agreed with barrelrider. Far too subtle to be portrayed in film. Just like "The Voice" in the Dune movies, just doesn't come across.
__________________
"...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160. |
02-16-2002, 04:45 AM | #4 |
Enting
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: south england
Posts: 93
|
Well we didn't get the wonderful verbal duel at Orthanc first time around, Gandalf's speech about how the ring can only be worn on one finger and Saruman's contempt for Radagast and Gandalf. So its unlikely we'll get anything of the brilliant rematch in TT. My bet is Saruman will say only
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhh hhhhhh as he's impaled on that bloody spike. |
02-23-2002, 12:58 AM | #5 |
Fowl Administrator
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada
Posts: 53,420
|
Actually, the power of the voice as a corrupting factor may well remain intact. Remember that the ability of Saruman's voice to sway people is mirrored in the character of Wormtongue.
__________________
All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien |
02-23-2002, 12:04 PM | #6 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Merry old England
Posts: 413
|
I'd be heartbroken if they didn't portray the Voice of Sauruman correctly! The defiance of Theoden, an old man, resisting the subtle, mind controlling power of his voice is one of the best parts!
"But my Lord of Rohan, I am to be called a murderer, because valient men have fallen in battle? If you go to war needlessly, for I did not desire it, then men will be slain. But if I am a murderer on that account then all the House of Eorl is stained with murder, for they have fought many wars and assailed those who defied them. Yet with some they have afterwards made peace, none the worse for being politic. I say, Theoden King, shall we not have peace and friendship, you and I? It is ours to command." "We will have peace," said Theoden at last thickly and with an effort. Several of the riders cried out gladly. Theoden held up his hand. "Yes, we will have peace," he said now in a clear voice "we will have peace when all your dark works have perished-and the works of your dark master to whom you deliever us. You are a liar, Sauruman and a corrupter of mens hearts. You held out your hand to me and I perceieve only the Claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if you war on me was just-as it was not, for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine for your own profit as you desired. Even so, what will you say of your torches in Westfold and the children that lie dead there..?"...
__________________
Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest (The end for others sought) Watch sloth and heathen folly Bring all your hope to nought. |
02-26-2002, 10:39 AM | #7 |
Peer of the realm of Sanguine
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ
Posts: 798
|
I also would be disappointed if the "Voice" was left out.
It is a powerful commentary on just how easily mislead we are. I just saw a videotape that showed the CEO of Enron telling his employees that the company's accounting practices were sound, even conservative, when a year later the comopany stock price is in freefall. In JRRT's time there were the examples of Hitler and Hirohito. However, judging from PJ's interpretation of FOTR, I don't think we will hear about the Voice in TTT. It's a very subtle concept, one that will probably be worked around or rewritten.
__________________
“"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel-rider," Fear Complacency! ___________________ Something under the bed is drooling |
02-26-2002, 11:35 AM | #8 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: aisle 12, seat#2
Posts: 449
|
I hate to admit it, but I think coolismo got it right.
__________________
"Holy Entmoot, Batman!" "Who knows, Robin? This strange mixing of minds may be the greatest single sevice ever performed for humanity! Let's go, but, inconspicuosly, through the window. We'll use our Batropes. Our job is finished." Oh, btw, Frodo lives. |
03-23-2002, 04:21 PM | #9 |
Lurker
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Lothlórien
Posts: 3,419
|
When we met Saruman in FotR, his voice was enhanced at one point, so I'm hopeful.
__________________
There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium... |
03-23-2002, 07:55 PM | #10 | ||
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Griffith IN
Posts: 136
|
Quote:
Quote:
I, for one, am anxiously awaiting Wornmtongue I've always imagined him to be a short little vindictive freak
__________________
~in Halley Brandybuck's hobbitish opinion I am in search of an MPEG version of the trailer... if anyone finds one, let me know! Do not meddle in the affairs of females for they are PMS-ing and quick to batter. "He fears you Aragorn, and what you may become" Two Towers in 6 months! |
||
03-23-2002, 08:03 PM | #11 | |
Halfwitted
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Eryn Vorn
Posts: 1,659
|
Quote:
__________________
Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears |
|
03-24-2002, 09:27 AM | #12 | |
Lurker
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Lothlórien
Posts: 3,419
|
Quote:
__________________
There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium... |
|
03-24-2002, 11:21 AM | #13 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Hobbiton...no wait....
Posts: 263
|
Impaled on a spike....if that is true, I'm going to cry.
~Rosie~
__________________
Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky. |
03-24-2002, 12:02 PM | #14 |
Lurker
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Lothlórien
Posts: 3,419
|
It is...Brad Dourif...check out the LotR movie site and the web site for that computer game (www.myst3.com) for proof.
__________________
There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium... Last edited by Elf Girl : 03-24-2002 at 12:03 PM. |
04-17-2002, 12:42 PM | #15 |
Hobbit
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Dale
Posts: 49
|
They could pull it off
If they dont take out too many lines and use their music right they might be able to pull off Voice of Saruman
__________________
Pieces of Eight the search for the money tree go cash your freedoms in for gold Pieces of Eight Treasure filled with emphtiness dont let it turn your heart to stone |
04-18-2002, 01:20 PM | #16 |
King of Nargothrond
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Canada! eh?
Posts: 2,002
|
Actually, in the movie guide, PJ is quoted as saying that Christopher Lee was perfect for Saruman for a number of reasons, including his "silky voice"
__________________
"THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!" |
04-19-2002, 06:32 AM | #17 |
Viggoholic
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,749
|
I hope they don't do something like Galadriel's hissy fit and you couldn't even understand what she was saying.
__________________
Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. |
04-19-2002, 01:39 PM | #18 | |
King of Nargothrond
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Canada! eh?
Posts: 2,002
|
Quote:
Galadriel's hissy fit... LOL! That's hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!
__________________
"THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!" |
|
04-20-2002, 12:23 AM | #19 |
Viggoholic
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,749
|
Thanks but I think I stole it from someone. I think his voice will not be enhanced like Galadriels (I really hope).
__________________
Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. |
04-20-2002, 12:37 AM | #20 |
Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Lyonesse
Posts: 4,547
|
Well, I do hope that they do something incredible with his voice (not Galadriel-ish) in which it is very true to the idea, with the technology available, and make an amazing scene with that and all...but I don't want to expect to much--Lessen the feeling of disappointment if it doesn't happen. We'll just have to wait, I suppose!
On a different note, I don't know much about Brad Dourif, or his acting, but I've seen pictures of Wormtongue, and he definitely looks very, very creepy, and quite greasy. Totally looks the part, and from the few seconds in the trailer, I'd say he still looks like he'll be a great wormtongue. I'm not too worried about him not being good enough, so far...*shudder*
__________________
Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK! |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
For those reading along with the movie | Elfhelm | Lord of the Rings Movies | 0 | 11-06-2003 01:17 PM |
The Saddest Movie | Agalayth | Entertainment Forum | 59 | 05-27-2003 01:01 PM |
The movie in a nutshell! | Agburanar | Lord of the Rings Movies | 2 | 02-06-2002 06:40 PM |
Entmoot's first review of the movie!! | Ben | Lord of the Rings Movies | 21 | 01-04-2002 04:52 AM |
LOTR Movie Official Press Release! | bmilder | Lord of the Rings Movies | 7 | 01-02-2000 04:25 AM |