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Old 03-02-2003, 06:05 PM   #121
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Boo-yah Galadriel is awesome! She's the most impressive.
And why are we talking about Feanor? He's not a woman, he doesn't count. Galadriel all the way.
Well, we're talking about Feanor because Galadriel was comparable to him in greatness. As for the wisest, niether get that title. That goes to Finrod.
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Almost forgot to mention. If you classify a female character by her ability to open a can of "whoop ass" as being impressive, then Eowyn would be your choice. But I'm saying that it takes more than physical strength and battle hardness to be impressive. Galadriel doesn't take any crap from anyone. But she doesn't open a physical can of "whoop ass" on anyone to get what she wants. Whereas, Eowyn had to disguise herself as a man to go into battle with the Rohirim, because she was told to stay home with the other women. Galadriel does as she pleases when she pleases and no man tells her what to do, not even Celeborn. No comparison here.
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Btw, Galadriel did fight in the Kinslaying against the Noldor defending her mother's kin.
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Well, we're talking about Feanor because Galadriel was comparable to him in greatness. As for the wisest, niether get that title. That goes to Finrod.
Oh, yes ! Definitely.
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Old 03-02-2003, 06:15 PM   #125
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Btw, Galadriel did fight in the Kinslaying against the Noldor defending her mother's kin.
hmmm, yes... you're right there *thinking*. But killing a Nazgul Witch King... now that's something, even if you have to disguise yourself as a man to do it.

Still, my vote is still going to Galadriel, for various already said reasons.
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Old 03-02-2003, 07:13 PM   #126
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galadriel was a wise elf, but i have yet to hear an argument better than that of luthien. what did galadriel do that can even begin to compare to luthien's life?
i think eowyn showed more raw courage in the face of adversity that galadriel. im not saying that galadriel was not impressive, just not as impressive as luthien.
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Old 03-02-2003, 08:17 PM   #127
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Must go read about Luthien again. In the mean time, my vote goes to Eowyn and Galadriel. Everyone's already listed my reasons so I won't go there.
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galadriel was a wise elf, but i have yet to hear an argument better than that of luthien. what did galadriel do that can even begin to compare to luthien's life?
i think eowyn showed more raw courage in the face of adversity that galadriel. im not saying that galadriel was not impressive, just not as impressive as luthien.
What Luthien did was out of love for Beren. She was brave, true, but would she have stood up to Morgoth if it weren't for her love of Beren. I do not think so.

Whereas, all that Galadriel did, she did out of justice, riteousness and the love of ME and the people that dwelt there. She had everything to lose and nothing more to gain than she already had. Even when the Valar gave her permission to return to Valinor, she turned them down because she felt ME needed her. On the whole, unselfish reasons and therefore, this makes her the most impressive female character of ME.

Eowyn went into battle to glorify herself in battle. I never got the impression that she felt that she was actually needed to overthrow Sauron. Just looking for glory. Not to say that killing the Nazgul Witch King is anything to turn your nose up at, just saying that it pales in comparison to all that Galadriel did for ME.
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Old 03-02-2003, 10:18 PM   #129
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I wouldn't say for glory so much as for honour; the honour of life (and possibly death) as a shield-maiden. Somehow, Eowyn seems nobler to me than the glory-seeking bloodthirsty types.
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:53 PM   #130
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I'd say we better split this up to races. You can't compare a Vala to a Maia as well as you can't really compare a men to an elf.
So here is my list (now, when I read the books again I could easily change my opinion again).

1. Men
Eowyn
2. Elves
Luthien
3. Valar
Varda (or Yavanna)
4. Maiar
Melian
5. Hobbits
Can't really name a very impressive female Hobbit.
6. Dwarves
I only know one dwarve woman

Did I forget any important race? (No I won't list spiders like Ungolianth or She-lob.)
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:55 PM   #131
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I made a little mistake.
Here is the corrected list:

1. Men
Eowyn
2. Elves
Galadriel
3. Valar
Varda (or Yavanna)
4. Maiar
Melian
5. Hobbits
Can't really name a very impressive female Hobbit.
6. Dwarves
I only know one dwarve woman
7. Half elf/Half Maia
Luthien
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Old 03-03-2003, 01:32 PM   #132
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Actually we do know of one dwarf woman, the only one mentioned in fact by Tolkien:

DĂ*s:

The daughter of ThrĂĄin II, and sister of Thorin II Oakenshield. The mother of FĂ*li and KĂ*li, she is the only dwarf-woman named by Tolkien
This is from way back on the first page. I'm sure she is very cool, she just didn't really get described. But if her sons and brother are any indication, then she rocks too. I wonder if she was in the Battle of Five Armies?

Impressive hobbits lass: Lobelia Sackville-Baggins. She stood up to Sharkey's men, with her umbrella, by herself, and there were two of them, and she was thrown in the Lockholes, even though she's very old, and when she was freed, she tottered out on her own two feet! Lobelia iz cool!
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I made a little mistake.
Here is the corrected list:

1. Men
Eowyn
2. Elves
Galadriel
3. Valar
Varda (or Yavanna)
4. Maiar
Melian
5. Hobbits
Can't really name a very impressive female Hobbit.
6. Dwarves
I only know one dwarve woman
7. Half elf/Half Maia
Luthien
I like your list idea! Here's mine...
1. Men
Haleth and Eowyn
2. Elves
Galadriel
3.Valar
Yavanna
4.Maiar
Arien
5. Hobbits
Lobelia Sackville-Baggins
6. Dwarves
I haven't read anything about the one Dwarven woman who Tolkien wrote about
7. Half Elf/Half Maia
Luthien
8. Spiders
Ungoliant
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7. Half elf/Half Maia
Luthien
I'm not so sure whether this is a good categorie. I mean, there is no contest.
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I'm not so sure whether this is a good categorie. I mean, there is no contest.
Yes. Good point! I don't believe this thread was meant to separate the races, either.

Really, how could you compare Lobelia Sackville-Baggins with Varda (Elbereth, Lady of the Stars), or Galadriel, or even Eowyn ("she who opened a can of whoop ass on the Nazgul witch king"). Really.
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Tis true. But Galadriel, Luthien, and Eowyn give each other fair competition. They've been the big three pretty much since the thread started.
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I'm not so sure whether this is a good categorie. I mean, there is no contest.
Of course it is not a good idea separating in categories, but you just can't compare a Vala to a Hobbit. That's the reason why I searched for strong females in each "categorie".
And the reason why I made a own categorie for Luthien is, that she had special abilities and that's why you can't really compare her to anyone.
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Tis true. But Galadriel, Luthien, and Eowyn give each other fair competition. They've been the big three pretty much since the thread started.
Yes, it appears so. I think people are going to choose one of the three because they can identify with the character, or because there was something that impressed upon the reader about the character. There are a lot of posts here on this thread. Plainly we can see that the posters are for one or the others and that their minds can not be changed.

Already everyone knows I feel that Galadriel was the most impressive because of her wisdom and unselfish acts (even staying in ME after she was allowed to return to Valinor, b/c she knew she could help ME still).

We will all have our favorites and there would be nothing to sway anyone from his/her choice at this point.
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while all that you said is nice, luthien is by far the greatest of all the eldar. TOLKIEN SAID SO. here let me give you the quote:
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Who together with the greatest of all the Eldar, LĂșthien TinĂșviel, daughter of Elu Thingol, are the chief matter of the legends and histories of the Elves.
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i earlier stated that this quote was from letter, but i was mistaken. its from volume XII of The History of Middle-earth.

luthien faced down morgoth and sauron, for love. nothing galadriel ever did could ever compare to that. i would imagine Tolkien thought the same, he put luthien's name on his wifes grave, not galadriels.
not only is luthien the greatest(most impressive) of the females, she is the greatest of ALL the eldar, including but not limited to: feanor, finrod, fingolfin, galadriel, thingol etc.
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