04-18-2006, 03:20 PM | #121 |
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OK, nice catch "E". One caveat should have been included in post # 143 :
Was Hitler an atheist as some Christians say he was? Hitler's own words make this claim rather dubious. Scholars are still unsure whether or not Adolf Hitler was a believing Christian or just a politically cunning theist, but what is certain however is there is no evidence he was an atheist. As quoted from the same source. And now I'll once more leave this forum to the forces of chaos. :rollseyes:
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04-18-2006, 03:54 PM | #122 |
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*****NOTICE TO ONE AND ALL*******
We Now Have A New Thread About Hitler-Christian Or Athiest Hopefully This Will Help Keep This Thread On Topic Per Earniel's Directive. Springtime for Hitler and Germany
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04-18-2006, 03:59 PM | #124 |
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ok-I'll modify the title
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Seriously, you've put together some good posts with lots of info recently. What worries me is that some of the info seems to be contradicted by other info, and then it can just get into an info "shouting match" with no thought behind it. That's why I'm more concerned about analyzing the thinking about the info for validity rather than offering yet more info, and that's why my posts aren't filled with info - they are filled with analysis of the comments about the info. There's plenty of info going around in this thread, and I'll let the info-gatherers continue to gather and post it. Info is info; it's the conclusions that are drawn from it that are more my field of interest. IMO, the analysis of, and conclusions drawn from info are just as important as the info, but many info-gatherer-type-people don't seem to realize that, so I try to point that out. Example of some perfectly valid info: This dinosaur leg bone has some ridges in it. Example of a conclusion drawn from the perfectly valid info: This dinosaur was really into doing the tango for hours on end, and that caused the ridges. See, the info here is valid ... but I would take issue with the validity of the conclusion!
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EDIT - mods, let me know if this post is OK to stay here, or if I should move it to the Hitler Christian thread ... a few parts deal with Hitler, but a few parts deal with Muslims, so I hope it can stay in this thread.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 04-18-2006 at 05:15 PM. |
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Buuuut, on to the Hitler thread! *leads the charge*
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04-18-2006, 06:14 PM | #129 |
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Warning*********warning********
ONCE AGAIN
WE NOW HAVE A TOPIC THREAD JUST FOR HITLER Goebbles would be so pleased PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CONTINUED POSTINGS ABOUT HERR HITLER IN THIS TOPIC THREAD
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To the topic at hand:
Allahu akbar!
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04-18-2006, 06:23 PM | #131 |
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Baruch ha Shem!
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No, no, no, that belongs in a thread about Jews, not Muslims!
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One of the reasons for the growth in violent extremism in Indonesia has been the malign influence of Saudi Arabia. The Wahabbis are an extremely backward and intolerant sect who unfortunately happen to be sitting on a huge source of wealth. Somebody described it as the equivalent of Texas becoming an independent state, being taken over by the KKK, and using it's oil money to spread the Aryan Church as true Christianity. They've used this money to build schools and spread their brand of extremism all over the Muslim world (and non-Muslim countries, too- they spend a lot of money in Europe, and in American prisons.)
This message really took off with the collapse of the Suharto dictatorship in 1998, a result of an economic crisis that hit SE Asia badly. Indonesia was/is one of the most corrupt societies on Earth, a fact which many people could accept while the economy was growing, but which led to a lot of resentment and anger when hard times hit. Young men who suddenly found themselves without a future, with very high unemployment and hyperinflation, looked for a scapegoat, and radical Islam was there to point the way. If anything, it's surprising how little attraction it had. |
04-19-2006, 11:51 AM | #136 |
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The "Mouser" speaks well and true.
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Exactly. It's about money and power, not about scripture.
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That's a major generalization, and one I attacked in post 49 with a collection of counter-examples. You didn't respond to much of that post, so I'd appreciate it if you did.
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Concerning GW's post earlier.
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If someone refuses to even consider the real-world underpinnings behind the religious attrocities of the past and the future there is nothing I can say to change that. You can only lead a horse to water... Simply put, everything is a factor, but environment far outweighs the purely theological. The simple fact that perfectly peaceful, yet devout muslims, exist in some parts of the world proves that it must be something other than the muslim belief that leads to violence. And the fact that christians can be very violent proves that that religious belief system does not necessarily lead to peace. Religion is a powerful motivator, but it is a tool, not a cause.
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