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I think sometimes there is a lack of understanding because we don't always get to talk one on one with each other.
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Sorry - IR but you don't represent all of America either. So you are just as bad to say "Americans feel this" or "Americans feel that". You may think that Americans in general feel we are better than everyone else- I do not. I think we look at people as being equals and we respect people's differences and individualism more. I never had a problem with Europe or Britain or any other country - until I saw how much they they seem to constantly judge us on everything we do.
If I said Britain was uncultured and their food sucked - there would be many people here who would be offended and go on about how British cuisine is great and list their cultural accomplishments. If something like this or other things are said about Americans and America - we're just supposed to take it. Defending something with America is not always an attack on another country. Pointing out that those countries also have similar if not the very same problems - is not attacking another country. Pointing out or celebrating our accomplishments is not always putting down another country. Americans don't burn the British flag on the 4th of July - we are simply celebrating a great thing in OUR country - the signing of the Declaration of Independence. I'm sorry if some people, going by past threads, find our patriotism and self-esteem obnoxious. But that is obviously a problem with them. Our 4th of July, our flags on our houses, my avatar, my flag hanging from my rearview mirror and the celebration of our country in no way diminishes their country's accomplishments or greatness. Finally - I want you to know my defense of America and the fat comment is not a knee jerk reaction because the person is non-American. I hope you are not implying that. It is true that all successful societies are having a fat problem, as I have said in many past threads for the past 2 years - it's just the US that currently has it more - but only by a couple of percentage points.
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You are a font of knowledge about many things american. i am always impressed in your little posts about thanksgiving and stuff like that that most non-americans would not know about. THATS the way to open america up to people who have no clue or who may be biased. But WITH that you need to learn to be bigger then some who would out of hand paint america in a simplistic unflattering way. to them i say kiss my fat american a$$ and i laugh. but i dont deny that we are fat or that we use more energy then anyone else or dozen other things that one could say about america. We shouldnt pretend we are perfect. we should simply point out our strengths and POSSIBLE misconceptions (in a non-hostile way). Quote:
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It might be hard to believe - but for 6 months on this board - I didn't even use the rolleyes smilie until over and over it was used against me - along with personal attacks. That was at the height of the American bashing threads and posts. Quote:
As for the fat. I don't beleive I ever said we weren't fat - I just said we weren't as fat as everyone seems to think. And it disturbs me that I have heard so many say that Americans are just fat and lazy. I was simply using "fat" as an example of what seems to come to mind to outsiders when they think of Americans. Quote:
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Also - as I said before - I had posted the "What is your country like..." thread and was suppsoed to foster understanding so people could learn about each other's countries and cities. It actually didn't go very far. I would be VERY interested in hearing what Finland is like, what Britain is like, what Australia is like, and what the cities and towns are like, etc. At least one person on this board knows that I am interested in his country, a country I had no knowledge of before.
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But frankly what it boils down to is this - I'm tried of the finger pointing at our country. Take the Iraq war - everyone knows I have supported it, gotten into many heated discussions about it. Bush and AMERICA has been accused of NOT negotiating, not working on peace through diplomatic means. The Iraq war many on this board felt was going to cause a proliferation of countries such as LIBYA to try to aquire WMD as protection against such actions as we took in Iraq. Now we find out yesterday that Bush and Blair have been in secret negotions with Libya since March (during the Iraq war) and Libya has now declared they are giving up their WMD programs. Now I posted this in the Iraq thread. NO ONE who criticized America over Iraq and said that this is just going to make the world more unsafe has even posted anything regarding Libya. No one has said anything regarding it. We caught Saddam Hussein and granted some people posted congratulations on that. It would be nice if in addition to the constant American bashing and Bush bashing that has gone on this board - that it would be nice if they just said something about the huge accomplishment with Libya. French news made two comments that struck me as very bad regarding us and Libya "Americans have Quadaffi eating pie." and "Quadaffi obviously forgot that the Americans bombed his home." These are things that I see on French news as well as on this board that makes me question all of Europe right now and whether it is just some huge contempt for America. Quote:
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You might want to think about how many sacrifices you have made for America's freedom and how many sacrifices America has made for Europe's. How many wars did Europe come to the aid of America and defend us? How many European soldiers died on American soil? Now look at how many American soldiers have died on European soil and how many American soldiers have been stationed in Europe to defend you from the Soviet Union. How many Americans died in the war against Meloshevic? Now the thanks we get for all this is - "You didn't get into the war right away." and our flag burned on European streets and our fast food restaurants ransacked. We have continued to spend money on Europe time and again - such as with the war in Bosnia. Much of Europe seems to be ignorant or just refuse to acknowledge all the stuff that the US does for their protection. Look at the anti-American ferver in Germany. Schroeder even ran on anti-American rhetoric. Then look at all we did for Germany after WWII (an enemy at that) and through the Cold War and then with the reunification. Now the majority of their population seems to hate us and feels that we are the biggest detriment to world peace? To me that seems a bit ingrateful - especially since the reunification was less than 20 years ago. Quote:
One of our reasons for our patriotism though - is because we fought and won our freedom from the greatest military power of the time with VERY LITTLE help. We also then protected that freedom again when Britain tried to retake the US during the war of 1812.
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Oh I'm sure we are all grateful, JD
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Actually, I've had experience similar to the situation you described, JD. An American friend of mine was visiting my home town, and my so-called mates gave him a roasting in the pub as if every US foreign policy was his personal fault. Needless to say, they weren't my mates after that. That was very immature and prejudiced behaviour. I acknowledge that these attitudes do exist in on this side of the Atlantic. One thing we are forgetting are the political differences between America and Europe. America values individualism and laissez-faire government where Europe has more of a collectivist, interventionist instinct. These two ideas pull our respective cultures in opposite directions some of the time. Last edited by The Gaffer : 12-22-2003 at 07:11 AM. |
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JD, people often use tones like that when they're joking. I know I do.
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Forgot to mention - I won't be around for a while now because of Christmas. Lots of friends/relations from various places coming in (and yes, just in case you're wondering, JD, some from the States
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