eowyn and Faramir - Page 4

Telcontar_Dunedain · 08-27-2004, 06:45 AM

Yeah but shes better alive than dead if shes dead she cant seep up the glory she would get.

Haradrim · 08-27-2004, 06:49 AM

ah too true. But I just cant imagine her giving it up. MAybeits just a mental block I have.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 08-27-2004, 10:12 AM

She had achieved her goal so she nned not to do anything else. She did something she really wanted to do.

Haradrim · 08-27-2004, 11:27 PM

So you are saying that all along Eowyn wanted to be a nurse. I disagree. HHer destiny was as a shieldmaiden of Rohan. She would have wanetd to protect her home from stray orcs and help to clean up what orcs there were left. Also Im sure Aragorn probably attacked the lands fo HArad. And she would have wnated to eb part of that. So it is just reall odd to me that she gave up her sword.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 08-28-2004, 02:12 AM

Not all along but when the time came she wanted to marry Faramir and I guess the nurse part is just an affect the Houses of Healing had upon her.

***Earniel*** · 08-28-2004, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Haradrim

So you are saying that all along Eowyn wanted to be a nurse. I disagree. HHer destiny was as a shieldmaiden of Rohan. She would have wanetd to protect her home from stray orcs and help to clean up what orcs there were left. Also Im sure Aragorn probably attacked the lands fo HArad. And she would have wnated to eb part of that.

I don't think so, Eowyn is a far more complex character than that.

Haradrim · 08-28-2004, 06:26 AM

I know she is. Hence with her desire to be a warrior and her easons for it. She did her fighting and then she decides to heal. WHere did her calling for healing come from. WHy did she all of a sudden take a likeing to the process of healing. it just doesnt make sense to me.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 08-28-2004, 10:18 AM

People change don't they.

Haradrim · 08-29-2004, 05:58 PM

I know they change but this seems like such a drastic change that t almost seems unprobable. Everyone has such good reasons but human nature doesnt alwasy follow reason.

Lefty Scaevola · 08-29-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Haradrim

WHy did she all of a sudden take a likeing to the process of healing. it just doesnt make sense to me.

In Tolkien(in HoME), there is a theme, at least among the elves, that it is difficult (not impossible) to combine the roles of Warrior with that of Healer. The spiritual/frea state that supports power in one of those roles intefers with that needed for the other. It would appear to be not a hard rule or that you can shift from one role to the other: The case of Elrond, a great wrrior up to at least TA 1900s and the Wars against Angmar, but a thousand years later Know rather as a great healer.
Back to Eowyn, perhaps being a warrior shieldmaiden has suppressed her inaate capacity as a healer, and when gave up the one, she found the other.

Haradrim · 08-29-2004, 07:56 PM

I understand now. ihavent gotten around to HoME and I actually dont know where to buy them. Anyone able to help?

Attalus · 08-29-2004, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Haradrim

I understand now. ihavent gotten around to HoME and I actually dont know where to buy them. Anyone able to help?

Amazon has them, but only the first few are in mass-market paperback.

Haradrim · 08-29-2004, 11:31 PM

thanks. Also what did Faramir do?

Telcontar_Dunedain · 08-30-2004, 02:55 AM

He was Prince of Ithillien and probably a part time Ranger to.

Haradrim · 08-30-2004, 03:13 AM

But what are the responsibilities of the prince of Ithilien?

Telcontar_Dunedain · 08-30-2004, 03:54 AM

Nothing I don't think.

Haradrim · 08-30-2004, 03:58 AM

So its just a title. That sjust great. Yeah I am prince of Itilien. Nobody Cares!

I feel bad for him.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 08-30-2004, 04:01 AM

He probably had to preserve thilien but I think that was about it.

Haradrim · 08-30-2004, 04:18 AM

thats still a pretty sucky job. Why couldnt he be like mayor of Minas Tirith or soemthing

Elanor the Fair · 08-30-2004, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Haradrim

I know she is. Hence with her desire to be a warrior and her easons for it. She did her fighting and then she decides to heal. WHere did her calling for healing come from. WHy did she all of a sudden take a likeing to the process of healing. it just doesnt make sense to me.

Don't forget this prophetic statement about Aragorn...

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The hands of the king are the hands of a healer..

Eowyn was of royal blood, and, like Aragorn, would be a natural healer.

Aragorn, too was a warrior and a healer. I am sure he preferred healing to slaying.

08-27-2004, 06:45 AM	#61
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Yeah but shes better alive than dead if shes dead she cant seep up the glory she would get. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

08-27-2004, 06:49 AM	#62
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	ah too true. But I just cant imagine her giving it up. MAybeits just a mental block I have. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

08-27-2004, 10:12 AM	#63
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	She had achieved her goal so she nned not to do anything else. She did something she really wanted to do. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

08-27-2004, 11:27 PM	#64
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	So you are saying that all along Eowyn wanted to be a nurse. I disagree. HHer destiny was as a shieldmaiden of Rohan. She would have wanetd to protect her home from stray orcs and help to clean up what orcs there were left. Also Im sure Aragorn probably attacked the lands fo HArad. And she would have wnated to eb part of that. So it is just reall odd to me that she gave up her sword. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

08-28-2004, 02:12 AM	#65
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Not all along but when the time came she wanted to marry Faramir and I guess the nurse part is just an affect the Houses of Healing had upon her. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

08-28-2004, 06:26 AM	#67
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	I know she is. Hence with her desire to be a warrior and her easons for it. She did her fighting and then she decides to heal. WHere did her calling for healing come from. WHy did she all of a sudden take a likeing to the process of healing. it just doesnt make sense to me. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

08-28-2004, 10:18 AM	#68
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	People change don't they. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

08-29-2004, 05:58 PM	#69
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	I know they change but this seems like such a drastic change that t almost seems unprobable. Everyone has such good reasons but human nature doesnt alwasy follow reason. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

08-29-2004, 07:56 PM	#71
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	I understand now. ihavent gotten around to HoME and I actually dont know where to buy them. Anyone able to help? __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

08-29-2004, 11:31 PM	#73
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	thanks. Also what did Faramir do? __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

08-30-2004, 02:55 AM	#74
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	He was Prince of Ithillien and probably a part time Ranger to. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

08-30-2004, 03:13 AM	#75
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	But what are the responsibilities of the prince of Ithilien? __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

08-30-2004, 03:54 AM	#76
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Nothing I don't think. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

08-30-2004, 03:58 AM	#77
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	So its just a title. That sjust great. Yeah I am prince of Itilien. Nobody Cares! I feel bad for him. __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

08-30-2004, 04:01 AM	#78
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	He probably had to preserve thilien but I think that was about it. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

08-30-2004, 04:18 AM	#79
Haradrim The Official Court Jester of the Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Far Harad Posts: 1,006	thats still a pretty sucky job. Why couldnt he be like mayor of Minas Tirith or soemthing __________________ A Bit More Grown Up This Time...

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