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Spock, have you ever been to Sweden? It's not exactly Eurabia.
Also, try the meatballs, lingonberry jam, and pitepalt, if you get the chance.
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10-11-2006, 03:32 AM | #582 |
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As I told u im my PM. In the future the Muslims will have taken over Sweden thru the mere fact of them being in the Parlament and of course, the former socialist gov. not giving a toss for Christianity by removing the subject of Religion from the Schools, and finally their groupings spreading out from the isolated neighbourhoods in the main cities.
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I can certainly believe that. After all, it's undeniable that the Arab race, like the Jews, have a great ability to go into everything.
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But that being said having George Bush in a position of power certainly did have a serious effect on the escalation of nukes in countries like Iran and North Korea. Sure the North Korean leaders have always wanted a nuke of their own so they can feel big and tough but in the past its always been part of leverage (spoken or unspoken) in negotiations with South Korea and the west. Now its sudden reality. And you really think its simply a coincidence that all this happens right after the Iraq invasion and the mention of those two very same countries (Iran and South Korea) in Bush’s “axis of evil” speech? If you were a little pissant of a country with a starving population and 0 respect from the rest of the world the vast majority of whom simply want to see you fall and the militant leader of the most powerful country in the world says watch out North Korea you are next on the list after what he saw us do in Afghanistan and Iraq wouldn’t you scramble to rattle any saber you had available? Bush wasn’t as willing to negotiate directly with them as leaders before him had. You cant always get everything accomplished by force as nice a thought as that is…
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Not "right after" Iraq invasion. After we've been in Iraq for three years, after seeing that we weren't as efficient as they first thought us to be...
I agree with a lot fo your points.
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Also, why should providing religious instruction be part of the role of government?
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10-11-2006, 06:44 PM | #587 |
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Lutherans are big in Norway also; I visited the country this summer and every time I turned around there was another church.
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But if even the USA is reconsidering its limits on nuclear weapons, I can understand why other countries see no reason why they shouldn't start looking into developing and owning nukes themselves.
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The Orthodox and Muslims are probably the only ones who practice their faith...(sorry Gwai )
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Oh, yeah, because the Orthodox are famous for their devotion. Why, you practically have to pry them out of the churches to get them to work only 20 minutes late. And they totally never show up for Liturgy late.
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Nothing suggests that they will take over Sweden in the future either.
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Are you ok with Pakistan having nukes?
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By the way, though I side with the conservatives here on many things, I just want to take a moment to commend the liberals on this thread for really trying to look from all the perspectives and see all the sides of the situation. I was running up in debate today in a class against some highly narrow minded conservative views of Islamic extremism, and that just got me to really appreciate a lot more the greater sense of perspective you all have .
I believe that there are big weaknesses in both sides, but also strengths on both sides. And running more head-on into the weaknesses of some on the conservative side is making me more strongly appreciate the strengths of the liberal side.
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On August 8 2005, only FIVE DAYS after the election of Ahmadinejad, the Iranian government resumed its conversion of uranium. Coincidence? Now you can certainly say the more liberal Khatami lead government was just lying to us and really wanted to have nukes to kill Israel with but why wouldn’t a more conservative Ahmadinejad lie as well since he is clearly lying about other things? Why would Khatami seemingly bend to European pressure if as you insist theres NO chance of negotiating anything no matter who is in power? Again, I just don’t see it as much of a reach to assume that negotiations between a more “liberal” Iranian government and a democratic president (or even McCain or some other republicans) would have at least a glimmer more of a hope then nonexistent ones between the extremist Ahmadinejad and Bush. Not saying they would have been perfectly successful or even close to it but geez it seems fairly clear to me ANYTHING is better then the chances of a Bush vs. Ahmadinejad detente. Maybe only Nixon can go to China but Bush cant do squat anywhere in the middle east it seems.
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President Bush is working with many Middle East leaders against terrorism, which is critically important to success. But I agree that his policies on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict could do with some major changes.
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