galladriel vs. arwen - Page 3

markedel · 08-18-2002, 09:32 PM

Elves are fading in LOTR. It is by definition (no more incarnate evil) the last "fairy tale," the end of the mythos. That's why elves are passing they are no longer fully a part of Arda. Of course Arwen is important as all Elf-Man unions are important parts of Middle Earth. It also serves as one of those useful refelctions of the elder years that pop up in LOTR. However the two characters aren't comparable, except in the sense that they both aid resistance to Sauron. Their Morning and Evening after all.

PJs fiddling with the mythology to sell tickets doesn't bother me, it's a movie, not "canon." In the movie Aragorn is made much more important, as it's an easy story to latch on to. In the book the characters motivations are beneath the surface. Just read the passage about Aragorn walking through Lorien, it shows the center of his life, without spelling it out for us.

Reumandar · 08-22-2002, 10:58 AM

I can't choose they are both great and at the ford isnt it Arwen that helps Gandalf make the river do that? and Ã‰owyn is also very cool but TÃ*nuveil was the greatest
( in my opinion )
I also like Hippo's

Sween · 08-22-2002, 11:52 AM

acctually all arewn ever does in the book is knitt a nice banner for aragorn but lets not get into that 1 (again)

BeardofPants · 08-22-2002, 04:54 PM

And give up her mortality.

Artanis · 08-22-2002, 05:02 PM

Nice try BoP

Galadriel has to be my choice. She is powerful, but also wise and noble. She acts for herself. Arwen is merely supporting Aragorn. That just don't do it for me.

BeardofPants · 08-22-2002, 05:31 PM

Oh no... don't try and tar me with that brush!

I'm with Galadriel all the way!

samwiselvr2008 · 08-22-2002, 06:16 PM

wow, people are actually answering to this! well, i think that galadriel is better as you know...

Celandine · 08-30-2002, 02:47 PM

arwen definnetly got to much, if you fell like arguing, pm willow oran, she will deffinitly argue

just kidding willow won't argue she doesn't have anything against arwen.

Willow Oran · 08-30-2002, 03:13 PM

I will? Celandine, try consulting me before you say these things. I happen to like Arwen. It's not her fault the movie people made her do what she did. I think that assuming any conflict between Galadriel and Arwen is pointless. Remember that in the book Arwen lived in Lothlorien for many years which would imply that she was fairly close to her Grandparents. If I remember rightly Aragorn asks Galadriel for her blessing on his marriage to Arwen in the book. They're both very different characters and are to my mind completely uncomparable. I like both of them equally and I'm glad that the movie is developing Arwen's character more. I just wish they could have done it in a way that didn't involve her upstaging Glorfindel. You know, I think that if The characters were real people and read this they would probably be appalled that we throw insults at them and try to decide who's better.

Galendhol Asada · 09-01-2002, 08:26 PM

Being the fact that Galadriel is Arwen's grandmother and the fact that Arwen didn't even have half the parts in the book than she had in the movie, I think they gave Arwen too much credit. But then again they gave Galadriel too much credit also, but they stayed truer to the book with Galadriel so I dunno. hahahaha.

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Galendhol Asada · 09-01-2002, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reumandar
I can't choose they are both great and at the ford isnt it Arwen that helps Gandalf make the river do that? and Ã‰owyn is also very cool but TÃ*nuveil was the greatest
( in my opinion )
I also like Hippo's

No it's Galadriel that helps Elrond. Neither Gandalf nor Arwen had part in that.

Caleb · 09-01-2002, 09:53 PM

Um im sorry to bust you bubble, but frankly mr. Galendhol Asada it is evident to me you have never seen the movie or read the books (unless you have some extremly misprinted edition). Gandalf does have a part in creating the flood, he even says he does. He created the white horses in the water. Galadriel had know part to do with it whatsoever. Just a little FYI.

Willow Oran · 09-01-2002, 09:54 PM

Quote:

No it's Galadriel that helps Elrond. Neither Gandalf nor Arwen had part in that.

No, Elrond floods the river on his own, (unless I missed something when I was reading that part,) and Gandalf adds on those horses made of water that decorate the flood. Neither ladies have a part in the flooding of the river. The movie gives both Arwen and Galadriel far larger roles than they originally had. For arwen it's obvious what they changed and for Galadriel they didn't so much change her part as give most of Celeborn's lines to her and cut all of what he did so that it looked as if Galadriel did and said more than she actually did.

Sauron's Nagging Wife · 09-01-2002, 10:05 PM

I think Galadriel's history from the Silmarillion and UT is much richer and more well-defined than the little we know about Arwen.

In addition, Galadriel is a Noldo Queen while Arwen is Peredhil. For me, that's a big difference.

Willow Oran · 09-02-2002, 09:49 PM

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In addition, Galadriel is a Noldo Queen while Arwen is Peredhil. For me, that's a big difference.

That's sort of mean, and it isn't all that accurate either. Galadriel never took the title of queen. She was a noldo princess and an extremely powerful women, but while she was certainly capable of being a queen she never actually was. Besides, if you're going to judge them by bloodlines then Arwen would win. She has the blood of both Luthien, and Galadriel plus many, many more who I'm too lazy to list here. I still say that Arwen and Galadriel are equals, though perhaps Galadriel is wiser because of her age and experience.

***Earniel*** · 09-03-2002, 08:16 AM

It's difficult to compare the two. Galadriel is much older, comes from Valinor, she has seen the Trees and learned a few tricks from Melian. Arwen is much younger, she was born after the Last Alliance so in a rather peaceful time. If Arwen had been around as long as Galadriel had been, things would have been different. Besides Elrond was in my eyes always overly protective of his only daughter. He called her home when things started to look a lottle rough so I doubt she had anything better to do than knitting flags.

I don't think they gave either women overly credit in the movie. They changed Arwen's role significantly but that doesn't give her more of less credit in my eyes.

Sauron's Nagging Wife · 09-04-2002, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Willow Oran
That's sort of mean

It may be mean (although I don't think so) but it's my opinion. Although she never took the title of queen, Gal. was one of the most powerful elves that returned to Middle-earth. If we are debating semantics, then she is not a "Queen", though she's very queenly.

Arwen is one-fourth Celeborn, unfortunately

Galadriel's life (and Luthien's) was long and full of action and boldness. Arwen's life was short and not very distinguished by much except her beauty and her choice to be mortal.

Linarryl · 10-24-2002, 02:18 PM

Galadriel is WAYYY better. (I don't really like Arwen)

durin's bane · 10-24-2002, 06:46 PM

Galadriel is better.

Reumandar · 10-25-2002, 05:16 AM

You may be right Sauron's Nagging Wife buuuuuuuuuuuuut...
I think Arwen is cool!!!!
Yeah!!!
P.S.
what does Peredhil mean?

08-18-2002, 09:32 PM	#41
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Elves are fading in LOTR. It is by definition (no more incarnate evil) the last "fairy tale," the end of the mythos. That's why elves are passing they are no longer fully a part of Arda. Of course Arwen is important as all Elf-Man unions are important parts of Middle Earth. It also serves as one of those useful refelctions of the elder years that pop up in LOTR. However the two characters aren't comparable, except in the sense that they both aid resistance to Sauron. Their Morning and Evening after all. PJs fiddling with the mythology to sell tickets doesn't bother me, it's a movie, not "canon." In the movie Aragorn is made much more important, as it's an easy story to latch on to. In the book the characters motivations are beneath the surface. Just read the passage about Aragorn walking through Lorien, it shows the center of his life, without spelling it out for us. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-22-2002, 10:58 AM	#42
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	I can't choose they are both great and at the ford isnt it Arwen that helps Gandalf make the river do that? and Ã‰owyn is also very cool but TÃ*nuveil was the greatest ( in my opinion ) I also like Hippo's __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun

08-22-2002, 11:52 AM	#43
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	acctually all arewn ever does in the book is knitt a nice banner for aragorn but lets not get into that 1 (again) __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-22-2002, 04:54 PM	#44
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	And give up her mortality. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-22-2002, 05:02 PM	#45
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with FÃ«anor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Nice try BoP Galadriel has to be my choice. She is powerful, but also wise and noble. She acts for herself. Arwen is merely supporting Aragorn. That just don't do it for me. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die. Last edited by Artanis : 08-22-2002 at 05:14 PM.

08-22-2002, 05:31 PM	#46
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Oh no... don't try and tar me with that brush! I'm with Galadriel all the way! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-22-2002, 06:16 PM	#47
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	wow, people are actually answering to this! well, i think that galadriel is better as you know... __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

08-30-2002, 02:47 PM	#48
Celandine Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 168	arwen definnetly got to much, if you fell like arguing, pm willow oran, she will deffinitly argue just kidding willow won't argue she doesn't have anything against arwen. Last edited by Celandine : 08-30-2002 at 03:11 PM.

08-30-2002, 03:13 PM	#49
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	I will? Celandine, try consulting me before you say these things. I happen to like Arwen. It's not her fault the movie people made her do what she did. I think that assuming any conflict between Galadriel and Arwen is pointless. Remember that in the book Arwen lived in Lothlorien for many years which would imply that she was fairly close to her Grandparents. If I remember rightly Aragorn asks Galadriel for her blessing on his marriage to Arwen in the book. They're both very different characters and are to my mind completely uncomparable. I like both of them equally and I'm glad that the movie is developing Arwen's character more. I just wish they could have done it in a way that didn't involve her upstaging Glorfindel. You know, I think that if The characters were real people and read this they would probably be appalled that we throw insults at them and try to decide who's better. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

09-01-2002, 09:53 PM	#52
Caleb Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: I'll never tell. Posts: 37	Um im sorry to bust you bubble, but frankly mr. Galendhol Asada it is evident to me you have never seen the movie or read the books (unless you have some extremly misprinted edition). Gandalf does have a part in creating the flood, he even says he does. He created the white horses in the water. Galadriel had know part to do with it whatsoever. Just a little FYI. __________________ -Caleb

09-01-2002, 10:05 PM	#54
Sauron's Nagging Wife Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Great Tower of Mordor Posts: 68	I think Galadriel's history from the Silmarillion and UT is much richer and more well-defined than the little we know about Arwen. In addition, Galadriel is a Noldo Queen while Arwen is Peredhil. For me, that's a big difference. __________________ "Will you stop fussing over that silly ring and come and eat your dinner before it gets cold?" ~Legrace, the Lady of the Great Tower Read about the Lady Legrace

09-03-2002, 08:16 AM	#56
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	It's difficult to compare the two. Galadriel is much older, comes from Valinor, she has seen the Trees and learned a few tricks from Melian. Arwen is much younger, she was born after the Last Alliance so in a rather peaceful time. If Arwen had been around as long as Galadriel had been, things would have been different. Besides Elrond was in my eyes always overly protective of his only daughter. He called her home when things started to look a lottle rough so I doubt she had anything better to do than knitting flags. I don't think they gave either women overly credit in the movie. They changed Arwen's role significantly but that doesn't give her more of less credit in my eyes. __________________ We are not things.

10-24-2002, 02:18 PM	#58
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	Galadriel is WAYYY better. (I don't really like Arwen)

10-24-2002, 06:46 PM	#59
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	Galadriel is better. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

10-25-2002, 05:16 AM	#60
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	You may be right Sauron's Nagging Wife buuuuuuuuuuuuut... I think Arwen is cool!!!! Yeah!!! P.S. what does Peredhil mean? __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun Last edited by Reumandar : 10-25-2002 at 05:21 AM.

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