Who do you think should be elected in 2008? - Page 3

brownjenkins · 01-15-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

I don't, personally, understand why BJ has no real cognitive framework for the observable phenomenon we know as "sin". I merely observed that that's what he described.

If he's ever curious, people have a name for it.

"Sin" presupposes the existance of absolutes, as opposed to the relative nature of reality. It's observable, but what it is observed as depends upon the observer.

But that would be philosophy.

hectorberlioz · 01-15-2008, 05:51 PM

This race is getting crazy....read this

So Santorum isn't exactly the best guy to be trashing McCain...Read why here

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-15-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

This race is getting crazy....read this

So Santorum isn't exactly the best guy to be trashing McCain...Read why here

It's a heckuva ride. *shakes head*

Curubethion · 01-11-2008, 10:40 PM

That rather makes a lot of sense, indeed. Hillary is quite the expert politician.

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-11-2008, 11:03 PM

I just don't think you all really understand what happens in an active campaign headquarters. It's bedlam. People don't sleep. The local people have a command structure, the national people have a command structure, and every person there has their own personal agenda. If you're there from out of town, God only knows where your stuff is, you haven't seen your support system in weeks, and there's always a complete stranger, who MAY be the biggest muckamuck in Lostforever County, or the head of the local Rotarians, or the publisher of the most influential paper among voters 18-24, or who may just be a wandering lunatic who wants your time and just 5 minutes with the candidate. You have to sort that out, and try to remember to brush your teeth and change your underwear occasionally.

People are not wearing their own shoes.

It's not a place where subtle strategies are developed. And, 10 minutes after the candidate shakes the last hand here, everyone is on the road to the next place.

Really, guys. You give them too much credit.

And Hillary wasn't going anywhere...she still had money in the bank. Even for her chances later, she still has to go to the convention.

hectorberlioz · 01-12-2008, 12:00 AM

But none of your points really count mine out though

...it WAS a desperate strategy, IMO. And I think it was Bill's play as much as Hillary's.

Belwen_of_nargothrond · 01-12-2008, 12:12 AM

My vote would be for Hilary Clinton. It's about time we had a woman president.

hectorberlioz · 01-12-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Belwen_of_nargothrond

My vote would be for Hilary Clinton. It's about time we had a woman president.

Hello Belwen of Norgothrond

. Glad to have you in the discussion. Please feel free to elaborate on your feelings about Hillary or the other candidates.

**Mari** · 01-16-2008, 07:42 PM

Thank you for another useful update. Giuliani isn't even mentioned in the news here anymore by the way.

hectorberlioz · 01-17-2008, 06:32 PM

stingingly appropriate

sisterandcousinandaunt · 01-17-2008, 07:47 PM

HECTOR! Did you see this? ABC facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/abcnews/vide.../frontpage.php

What do you think?

hectorberlioz · 01-17-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

HECTOR! Did you see this? ABC facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/abcnews/vide.../frontpage.php

What do you think?

That was true, tried, decent Romney at his best

. One of those moments you know he's more than just a Ken Doll.

Meh, the guy was a reporter, they're always buggy like that. Mitt made it clear withuot going unhinged like Bill Clinton might (see examples on youtube).

The last time I watched something like this was when Mitt was doing an interview with a Des Moines radio talk show host. They kept the camera rolling off air, but Mitt didn't know it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G9hy...eature=related

hectorberlioz · 01-17-2008, 09:40 PM

I just heard the author of this book interviewed. However lowdown the recent campaigns have been, there are some examples in the past that match up.

"If you vote for Richard Nixon, you might go to hell"

Interview here:
http://www.townhall.com/TalkRadio/Sh...a-ebaed7c669ec

**Mari** · 01-17-2008, 07:56 PM

I think he handled that quite nicely. He remained polite, knew when to break off the argument and he actually made his point. Not something everyone manages to do.
(sorry, I know I'm not Hector, I was just impressed

)

**Mari** · 01-21-2008, 01:37 PM

Perhaps a little help for those who can't decide, even with the discussions going on here

Electoral Compass

The Gaffer · 01-21-2008, 01:51 PM

That's a groovy quiz thing. I've done it before. Got me a -6, -8 as I recall, which I was very pleased with! Nearest was Gandhi and Mandela.

* Polishes halo *

Interesting how all political US/UK parties are very close together.

So, nice to see there's no sexual stereotyping going on in this campaign, Hector.

hectorberlioz · 01-21-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Gaffer

So, nice to see there's no sexual stereotyping going on in this campaign, Hector.

So the cartoon I posted about Bush, was that sexual too?

**Nurvingiel** · 01-22-2008, 01:19 AM

It's nice to see that there actually isn't any sexual stereotyping in this campaign. Belinda Stronach, a Canadian MP, gets an absolutely unreal amount of flak for being a blond, wealthy, good-looking and young woman. She's also extremely intelligent and well-spoken, but that tends to get forgotten.

The "gloves come off" reference is more of a "Hilary is a lawyer and therefore a robot" sort of reference. Otherwise I don't get it.

hectorberlioz · 01-22-2008, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

It's nice to see that there actually isn't any sexual stereotyping in this campaign. Belinda Stronach, a Canadian MP, gets an absolutely unreal amount of flak for being a blond, wealthy, good-looking and young woman. She's also extremely intelligent and well-spoken, but that tends to get forgotten.

That can also be said of Romney really. The people that dislike him seem to base it on the fact that he's rich and looks like a Ken doll.

Quote:

The "gloves come off" reference is more of a "Hilary is a lawyer and therefore a robot" sort of reference. Otherwise I don't get it.

You're more perceptive than Gaffer.

It's also funny because it shows her taking skin off, as if those were the gloves. It works great as a cartoon.

brownjenkins · 01-21-2008, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mari

Perhaps a little help for those who can't decide, even with the discussions going on here

Electoral Compass

It told me to vote for Obama.

01-15-2008, 05:51 PM	#2
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	This race is getting crazy....read this So Santorum isn't exactly the best guy to be trashing McCain...Read why here __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide Last edited by hectorberlioz : 01-15-2008 at 05:57 PM.

01-11-2008, 10:40 PM	#4
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	That rather makes a lot of sense, indeed. Hillary is quite the expert politician. __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

01-11-2008, 11:03 PM	#5
sisterandcousinandaunt Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,535	I just don't think you all really understand what happens in an active campaign headquarters. It's bedlam. People don't sleep. The local people have a command structure, the national people have a command structure, and every person there has their own personal agenda. If you're there from out of town, God only knows where your stuff is, you haven't seen your support system in weeks, and there's always a complete stranger, who MAY be the biggest muckamuck in Lostforever County, or the head of the local Rotarians, or the publisher of the most influential paper among voters 18-24, or who may just be a wandering lunatic who wants your time and just 5 minutes with the candidate. You have to sort that out, and try to remember to brush your teeth and change your underwear occasionally. People are not wearing their own shoes. It's not a place where subtle strategies are developed. And, 10 minutes after the candidate shakes the last hand here, everyone is on the road to the next place. Really, guys. You give them too much credit. And Hillary wasn't going anywhere...she still had money in the bank. Even for her chances later, she still has to go to the convention. __________________ That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May

01-12-2008, 12:00 AM	#6
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	But none of your points really count mine out though...it WAS a desperate strategy, IMO. And I think it was Bill's play as much as Hillary's. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

01-12-2008, 12:12 AM	#7
Belwen_of_nargothrond Enting Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nargothrond Posts: 71	Greetings My vote would be for Hilary Clinton. It's about time we had a woman president. __________________ Lady Belwen of Nargothrond

01-16-2008, 07:42 PM	#9
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Thank you for another useful update. Giuliani isn't even mentioned in the news here anymore by the way. __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

01-17-2008, 06:32 PM	#10
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	stingingly appropriate __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

01-17-2008, 07:47 PM	#11
sisterandcousinandaunt Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,535	HECTOR! Did you see this? ABC facebook. http://www.facebook.com/abcnews/vide.../frontpage.php What do you think? __________________ That would be the swirling vortex to another world. Cool. I want one. TMNT No, I'm not emo. I just have a really poor sense of direction. (Thanks to katya for this quote) This is the best news story EVER! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26087293/ “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”...John McCain "I shall go back. And I shall find that therapist. And I shall whack her upside her head with my blanket full of rocks." ...Louisa May

01-17-2008, 09:40 PM	#13
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	I just heard the author of this book interviewed. However lowdown the recent campaigns have been, there are some examples in the past that match up. "If you vote for Richard Nixon, you might go to hell" Interview here: http://www.townhall.com/TalkRadio/Sh...a-ebaed7c669ec __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

01-17-2008, 07:56 PM	#14
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	I think he handled that quite nicely. He remained polite, knew when to break off the argument and he actually made his point. Not something everyone manages to do. (sorry, I know I'm not Hector, I was just impressed ) __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

01-21-2008, 01:37 PM	#15
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Perhaps a little help for those who can't decide, even with the discussions going on here Electoral Compass __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

01-21-2008, 01:51 PM	#16
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	That's a groovy quiz thing. I've done it before. Got me a -6, -8 as I recall, which I was very pleased with! Nearest was Gandhi and Mandela. * Polishes halo * Interesting how all political US/UK parties are very close together. So, nice to see there's no sexual stereotyping going on in this campaign, Hector.

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