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President Bush did what he had to in Iraq and Afghanistan. Strong evidence was indicating that Iraq had WMDs and was dodging the weapons inspectors, as is proven by the fact that an overwhelming majority in Congress voted in favor of war. So there was strong evidence that Iraq had WMDs. Congress isn't a bunch of idiots- deceiving them all would have been unbelievably difficult.
President Bush genuinely believed there were WMDs in Iraq, and so did almost all the other highly professional and well trained leaders of our country. So President Bush made the only rational decision he had available to him at the time.
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for those who missed this input
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There are problems around here, yes, and there are a few places in Oslo that got immigrant majority - but no serious clashes. Never heard of any lawlessness. The good people at HonestThinking are free to make any claims they wants, as far as I've gathered the site is considered a bit reactionary and its criticism of e.g. the Norwegian statistical bureau has, as far as I know, been pretty solidly refuted.
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Boy that's a rather gloomy analysis.
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Want some gloom, try the Jerusalem POST on Russian involvement in Hizbollah and Syria - now, today, and currently:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull Bush is not responsible for all the angst in the world today, unfortunately. There are plenty of angst-makers and something less than myopia will reveal them.
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Ahhh, agnst-makers, now THAT I can relate to. Thanks for the links.
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They were developing these weapons all the way back in the 1980s, near the NK town of Yongbyon. Hans Blix and nuclear inspectors went to check out the site in the early 1990s and Blix suspected at that time that they were secretly developing nuclear weapons. Secretary of State James Baker has said that North Korea had a crude nuclear device even during his time in office.
North Korea's nuclear weapons development is a process that has been going on for decades, not just in the last few years.
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I've thought about the point you raised about the poverty in the Middle East, Gaffer, and researched it since we last talked here. And my findings have indicated to me that poverty in most places really isn't the source of radicalism. It's a natural one for us Westerners to think of, seeing as we come from a capitalist mindset, but it doesn't jive with the facts. I'll give you more on this perhaps tonight . . . or maybe tomorrow or the day after. I'm in a school time crunch at the moment, so I can't present you my case immediately.
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Well Bin Laden certainly wasn't impoverished...
My dad pointed out once that most of the radicals seemed to have been educated and/or wealthy. The leaders, anyways.
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However, if you noticed; countries with whacks had SOME kind of nuclear or other mass weapons program BEFORE Bush. It has been going on for quite awhile, and that is why blaming it on Bush just doesn't cut the mustard. Clinton sold stuff to China, and I don't think it's that hard of a leap to figure out that N.Korea and China have something goin' on. No one person can be blamed. I don't think Iraq was about WMD per se, nor about oil. I think Bush, after 9/11, realized that stuff had to change in the middle-east, or America would undergo more attacks or worse. Taking over Iraq had a lot of pros; to the rest of the Islamic world, ousting Saddam and the Taliban (in Afghanistan), was no small thing. This scared the heck out of the nuclear-developing tyrants. Of course, in the long run it has backfired on us...
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