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02-09-2006, 07:01 PM | #563 |
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02-09-2006, 07:14 PM | #564 | |
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What is the Islamic position on homosexuality, btw?
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Of course the full number of Muslims won't be on the street protesting, and of those that do protest, only a limited number will do so violently. Nonetheless, this is clearly a major issue. Quote:
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I read in the paper that the danish cartoonists had drawn the cartoons to "challenge Muslims" over portraying Muhammed. Doing that was rash ("it was supposed to be rash" ), and hopefully they'll think twice about doing it next time. But how to solve freedom of expression vs. respect for boundaries? On this issue, i'd probably say it was Danishland's fault (*tries to keep straight face*)...bah! you guys know what I mean.
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Robin Cook's book "Hunting for Osama bin Laden" claims that there is a strange mountain group in Afghanistan of wild homosexual muslims...
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02-09-2006, 08:15 PM | #568 |
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Pictures late-night infomercial on T.V. to order the latest DVD of "Homosexual Muslims Gone Wild!", complete with wet -Tshirt contests and so forth...
How in the world does homosexuality have anything whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread??? Very confused here. What the hell is going on?
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02-09-2006, 08:27 PM | #570 |
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But -how the hell does she dictate what's right or not right for anyone else, and what the HELL does homosexuality have anything at ALL to do with the title of this damn thread? How is the term even used to make an argument or comparison, in context of Muslim anger over cartoons being published? She SHOULD get her nose out of Islam because she DOESN'T have a say of what's right for them, any more than any other non-Muslim has.
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02-09-2006, 08:32 PM | #571 |
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If we happen to know Muslims or have studied their beliefs at all, presenting what information we have is fine.
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"Keeping your nose out of it" is what doesn't belong in this issue. Here's something funny: Joe: you're not Mark's father, Al,...don't tell him what to do. Al: Oh yeah? Well, you're not MY father Joe. Don't tell ME what to do.
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02-10-2006, 06:12 AM | #574 |
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Just because a person is capable of understanding:
1) another point of view and 2) that different cultures exist does not mean that he agrees with them. I'll say it again: comprehension is not equal to agreement nor approval. Does that make sense? Take a moment to think about it. OK, now that's sorted, let's consider the "clash of cultures" issue. It is precisely this sort of line of reasoning that leads to the "us and them" attitude. "They're all the same; attack is the best form of defence". That in turn leads to bombed villages, embassies on fire and planes flying into skyscrapers. And guess what? It changes nothing; attacking, whether verbal or physical, just makes the situation worse. More detail: In Iraq under Saddam, women had jobs. Post-Saddam, women can't go out of the house on their own let alone work. See how attacking makes the situation worse? |
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02-10-2006, 11:08 AM | #576 | |
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We have a topic thread for Marriage and another for Homosexuality and one for Muslims. THIS BELONGS IN THE PROPER VENUE. Please post your questions there.
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02-10-2006, 11:12 AM | #577 |
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Ok This Goes For Everyone
Didn't mean to single out one person
PUT COMMENTS, ETC. ABOUT RELATED SUBJECTS IN THEIR PROPER THREADS. This is about the Nordic attacks and has wandered into other topic fields.
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You certainly seem free to attach your rules and culture (in its personal sense, I mean) to the world and how it should be run. My point was that in western culture in general one doesn't see the type of fervid response to SIGNIFICANT insults and acts of war that we are seeing with these Islamic rioters. I know that there are lots of liberals waiting for their local WalMarts to be torched over some editorial cartoon in some international yellow-rag piece of journalism, BUT they are still waiting and will be ad infinitum. On the other hand, we can make judgment between the salutory effects of specific forms of government and religion as opposed to the other types of reactions engendered in those mattters, can't we? And it is entirely legitimate to say tha x is related to y when the same damn thing happens over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over..........
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The truly violent episodes only occurred in a hand full of locations: Afghanistan, Damascus, Beirut. And really is it any surprise that violence focused on westerners would occur in these places? I found no confirmation of wide spread violence in Indonesia or even Iraq like you said above (nor in the Philippines or Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Turkey or many other largely muslim countries). Now if none of the burnings had happened but an equal number of protests had occurred would there be the sheer vitriol and indignation we are hearing now from westerners? Calling them “small” and petty and uncivilized and fanatics? Im assuming the answer would be no right? Because we here in the west feel its an ok thing to protest or march or raise your voice when you feel an injustice has been done to you. right? So why the widespread condemnation of ALL muslims because a drop in the bucket have attacked buildings? Shouldn’t we be instead condemning those who have engaged in these actions of destruction? And those terrorists and extremists who have egged them on? There have been peaceful protest marches all around the world. You act as if every protest has been simple and pure anarchy with no organization whatsoever. And why do we paint with a broad brush for THIS event yet not for others exactly? Conservatives like to shout about how they are helping the people of Iraq against the FEW bad insurgents and terrorists. Yet when a large group of muslims protest and a FEW attack buildings suddenly its ALL muslims or at least “this is how those damn crazy muslims behave”. And that’s inaccurate. Quote:
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Not true. A main hadith is that non-Muslims are only given three choices: 1) convert to Islam, 2) Pay the jizya or 3) war Peaceful coexistence as equals in a pluralistic society isn't one of the choices.
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