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Oh, it's fine; immigrants are fine...but what do the immigrants bring? Don't tell me who was burning cars in Paris! We CANNOT have five or six or a million mini-countries within this one: all must abide by the law, even if they do not like them. I do not mean as in Chinatown mini-countries, but as in France: it is basically a Muslim country now: Muslim majority, large birth rates etc and a weak secular Gov't that blames themselves for being so intolerant! ... I am not against a muslim practicing his religion in this country, I am not against an immigrant bringing his cultural background. But when it is on the level of waving your original country's flag to protest the country you now live in...you need to get out. It is not a prerequisite that you like the president, that you agree with everything our country stands for. What I am against is a culture allowed that come here to override our established system. Tons of immigrants pouring into a country is not a melting pot, it is a chamber pot, and it is anarchy.
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...and let the slow process of time rot my bones?
SPOCK! ....*thinks of evil plan*
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A bit closer to the greeks are they? The volatile gods...
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I agree with Nurvi; I'd like to see some quotes. Not that I think you're wrong necessarily, but I would like to see the source so I can be sure of this. It would be interesting.
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Muslim immigrants often have a different culture than we do, a much more rigidly moral culture and one that is not used to the same level of freedom. When people like that gain in numbers, they can use their freedom to become a political lobby, which of course is fine. Except that they could use that position to push restrictions onto our culture that we don't want. An example of my position from September 2005: Quote:
The Sharia advocates ended up being ruled against. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4236762.stm Another example: Quote:
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I thought it meant that Islam wasn't logical, but Gwaimir suggests that Muslims believe that Allah isn't bound by logic. That is not a crap idea, as I kind of nastily put it previously. Quote:
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They are also allowed to lobby their MP to ask for the Constitution to be changed, but I doubt they did that. We don't agree to everything people lobby us for you know.
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Of course they had the right to ask- that's actually part of my point. When you have a much larger population due to more births, you have more political clout, so that right to ask becomes very significant.
The law they wanted imposed would have reduced the freedoms of women. Right now, Muslims in Western countries don't have enough political clout to get Sharia put into law. But with immigration and birth rates among Muslims (which are higher than they are among non-Muslims) climbing, they will end up having larger clout. Then many Muslims might aim for bigger things than implementing Sharia to deprive women of Western rights. I agree with you that dialogue is important. Yet there is also good reason to be concerned. Quote:
In any country where there are Muslims, there are extremists. Radicalism is everywhere, though it is still the minority. Statistics taken on the subject have shown that radicalism is growing in the US, in Indonesia, in just about any country you can name in the Middle East and Europe, and of course in Africa. It's growing rapidly, and it is a worldwide ideology.
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Definitely interesting though. Perhaps even... worrisome.
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This debate would benefit from some facts about populations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4385768.stm France has about 8% muslim population, largely drawn from former colonies (Algeria and Tunisia), i.e. NOT the majority. Where do such beliefs come from? Is it because we are ready to believe them? To me the French experience with the headscarves thing shows that radical secularism is just daft and counter-productive. The problems are more about poverty, ghettoes and colonialism than radical islam. Deal with the former and you don't have the latter. Last edited by The Gaffer : 10-05-2006 at 07:25 AM. |
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One country, where ever, one set of laws for all, whom ever.
OR Move back to the desert and become more tribal than they are now.
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I'd say radical secularism is pretty much what is needed. We're all done with the Middle Ages, thanks all the same, and there's no place now for any religion having any say in public life. European secular societies have been too accomodating: high time we tell those concerned that if they want a society built around their fairy tales they should decamp to whichever hellish dust-bowl such views are tolerated in, be it Colorado or Kandahar.
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