02-04-2006, 02:12 PM | #441 |
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No, thankfulness. Of all Western countries Sweden is the one of the most receptive then it comes to muslims. Not to say that the other Nordic countries haven't been generous.
The people presently in power just says: come, come we will give you all you want and you do not have to work. We'll pay for the lot. So, attacking our embassy was a bit of unthankful act I think. Havent we given enough to them to safeguard their friendlyness. And norway, why attack them. IT WAS A DANISH SLEAZE MAG. But that goes to show that the muslims think that their racism is ok while any thoughtless prejudices from our part isn't. |
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A lot of disrespectful things are published in cartoons, especially about political figures. That annoys me personally, for these are all real people. Being disrespectful of someone should be legal, though I don't think it should be done. Depicting Muhammad is an affront to God in millions of people's religious views. It is an extreme act of disrespect to them, to them rather like mocking dead soldiers would be to us. They have a very different perspective than we do, another frame of mind. It is thoughtless and callous to trample on it. Quote:
I don't know whether that should be legal or not. Publishing some things . . . I don't know.
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In the end it is only a cartoon, something that was intended to raise a smile, not to make hundreds of people angry, assaulting embassies and burning flags. I highly doubt the cartoon was meant to give a deadly insult to all muslim over the whole world, some groups certainly don't seem to have perceived it as such either. While his cartoon was certainly a misfire, was that extreme reaction warranted? I tend to say no. Respect and tolerance have to come from two sides. It reminds me of the situation we had a few years ago in Antwerp. The muslims community wanted to celebrate one of their traditions and therefore needed to butcher a sheep. By law sheep may only be butchered in registered arbatoirs. That law has been implemented for many years and for sanitary reasons. Both things are in essence irreconcileable. Many people didn't want to go to abatoirs, they wanted to butcher the sheep at home, as it was traditional. Should the law be dropped just to accomodate their religious values? Or should the tradition be amended to move the actual butchering to the abatoir? The only viable and durable way out is IMO a compromise. You can only have a multicultural society if you make compromises. Can you ask a person to show respect for the traditions of a religious group that will not show the same respect to your tradition of freedom of speech? I don't know.
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Why do Muslims feel the need to riot and kill and burn any time anyone fails to show them complete deference? I don't know, you think maybe it has something to do with Islam? Quote:
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I ask you - is this a reasonable, fair way to react to A CARTOON??? I mean, it's as if they want to takle any excuse they can think of, ANYthing, to have an excuse to target western countries.
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02-04-2006, 05:32 PM | #447 |
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Silly Muslims.
When are they going to realize that Jesus is the only way? And what is this silly collective intolerance? They should grow a collective funny bone and learn to take a joke from time to time. We could get them started on the dead baby jokes. I beat a dude called Mohammed at arm-wrestling a few years ago. When he got angry after I exclaimed that “Mohammed sucks”, it left a bad taste in my mouth. It's called humour. You don't like, so be it. Humour should never be the cause of violence or destruction, unless it's my laptop getting destructed so that I can get a new one with firewire.
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I don't believe the Muslims have any scriptures telling them not to judge others, like we do. They also don't have the "turn the other cheek" teaching. Muslim scriptures say that Islam is in a constant state of war with all non-Islamic peoples, though there can be places of truce. A large number of Muslims interpret that spiritually, I think, but a growing and obviously large number think differently. Quote:
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I would be very angry if Muslim newspapers started publishing and republishing cartoons mocking the American and European dead in Iraq, even if they think, "well, many of us here in the Middle East don't mind." It would be totally out of taste. It's obvious from the Muslim reaction that they consider this a mortal offense. Printing something that will offend millions of people so strongly is plainly very out of taste. I suspect that those who printed originally were just being thoughtless. The Europeans who followed their lead are certainly callous and should be more responsible about what they print. Agh, I'm tired of this whole thing . The Middle East and the West are becoming more and more polarized against one another, and this will make everything much worse. It's so frustrating.
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The cartoonist is an idiot for drawing such a rude and inflammatory cartoon, but studpidity shouldn't result in violence. I do not understand the situation. The Danish government does not control the newspapers. They can't do anything about this cartoon, and it's not their fault. Newspapers are similairly outside the control of the Norwegian government, and the European Union. It is a free press. Clearly there are great misunderstandings here.
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Why does it always seem like certain Muslims are looking for ways to justify barbarity and destructivity? IMO, most Muslims are like fundie Christians--dormant/mild extremists, if you will. But then you get the proper extremists, like the female suicide bomber I saw on TV last night who thinks she is going to be the prettiest virgin of the 72 in paradise. Clearly she was nowhere near the prettiest. Perhaps there should be a counter-extremist group who exercise the same level of intolerance of those who would wage “war” over something as silly as a cartoon. I mean, what are those Muslims going to get upset over next? Instead of suing like good Americans, they act like barbarians. Did anyone see the footage of the Embassy burning? Why are there always those few Muslim crowd-rilers who act like they've lost a child, screaming their hearts out, with funny facial expressions, getting the crowd angrier than it already is. They just wanna burn **** down homes!
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Great, now I want to see the cartoon... Dammit, I've googled it, and all I see are the articles. No actual cartoons. I say that you can publish anything you want, good to cartoon their goddamn charleton (not sure if thats what it is in english) "prophet". And perhaps telling them to run to jesus isnt the best modus operandi, I still dont think I'd give in to calls to curtial my freedom of sleazy cartoons.
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I know; I've been going nuts trying to find this famous freakin' cartoon. Nothing. Unbelieveable.
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They are afriad the Mohammedan rabbel will take to the internet? Call Jihad against Google? They are only shooting themselves in their foot.
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Two things.
The Muslims shown on TV, burning the Embassy, or even the little brainwashed school children who are being told to shout protests and burn flags....they're all like terrorists in the making. Willing to kill and destroy for something they believe in. Should they not be treated like terrorists? Why is violent religious intolerance any different from violent political intolerance? It's all Kill Kill Kill, Destroy Destroy Destroy. Shouldn't barbarity like this be dealt with? These people have not moved into the 2nd millenium A.D., nevermind the third like the rest of us. Secondly, yes, such a group would be extremist too. But in the words of the Muslim, war is being waged. Whatever happened to army vs army? Not army vs citizens on the back foot who are forced to a course of action through fear and threatening influence. This is just as if a terrorist group has responded with violence, after reading a cartoon. It is complete craziness, yet it goes unchecked.
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How do you intend on checking it? The problem with this bunch, is that when met with some one with guns more then happy to kill them, they melt back into the population then run away, and some innocent people get killed. Then they reappear bold as brass the next day, shout ALLAH AKBAR! *BOOM!* and run away again. That fellow with the RPG that Lotesse posted...If faced with an Israeli in a tank will dissappear right back into that refugee camp and let his fellow muslim people get bulldozed.
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