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I agree we have many muslims who are 'in name only' or just for high holy days, as we have in all religions. The fact that for the most part we have not heard them speak out against violence, speaks danger to western civilisation.
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Can no-one else see the massive racial slur in demanding that ALL muslims have to apologise constantly and on an ongoing basis for the actions of a few extremists? |
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I haven't heard any of the Christians here condemning the actions of the Christians against the Mulims in Bosnia- I guess that means you condone this violence in the name of Jesus.
If not, better get those apologies pouring in....
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2. For every one small cleric who urges peace, we get dozens of riots, dances in new clothes, bombings, etc. It kind of reinforces what we think of them. 3. Islam is a religion not a race therefore, there can be no racial slur. 4. It's not that we're asking for an apology, ala Clinton, we want a denouncing and a renouncing of violence by Muslims.
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So, if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck and walks like a duck, we're prejudiced against them?
I'm not prejudiced against ducks, only those who wear shoe bombs, carry liquid explosives, or plot against our citizens.
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In fact, as far as I know, there is nothing like the same contribution in the sciences from Muslim clerics. What about rabbis?
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Don't know about rabbis, but I'm surprised a student of the classics is unaware of the role of muslim scholars in, for example, mathematics. But that was meant to be tongue in cheek anyway.
As for Copernicus, no, I think what I wrote is right. However, his book wasn't banned until 50 or so years until after his death; if memory serves this was when Galileo started to popularise it, in Italian rather than just Latin, and going around insisting it was actually true, as opposed to "just another theory" (resonance of the ID/evolution debate there). It remained banned until the 1800s. |
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Thanks Gaffer.
Wikipedia isn't the most reliable of sources, though its science articles are better than history and other articles because they are reviewed and edited more often. Copernicus was not a Priest This paper is available at JSTOR, I hope the link works. It seems that Galileo was the first to refer to Copernicus as a priest in order to convince the Catholic church not to condemn his ideas as heresy. You could read only the first few pages to get the idea - the paper is also about how there's a debate as to whether he was German or Polish, and other issues. EDIT: Download here. EDIT2: Gaffer, did you just write 1800s in Arabic numerals? I think you did!
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It looks as though Turkey and Egypt are going for nuclear power too, and probably in response to Iran's nuclear build-up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5378148.stm
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Wonderful, our female service people already have to dress 'local' off base in Egypt and our 9-11 people came from there; Turkey - useless and cost us $ and men in the initial ramp up of the war.
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Nurv, neither link works. Also, not only priests are clerics.
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Indeed, Deacons count as clergy...
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Yet in the midst of all this, we would certainly do well to remember that there are many, many Muslims who have laid down their lives fighting Al'Qaeda in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. A Syrian security officer also died protecting our embassy a week or two ago, when extremists attacked it. This is largely a war of Muslim fighting Muslim, and we do have many allies in the war on terror. Though we may debate how fully they are doing their part in stifling extremism, it is certain that people from their countries have died fighting it. In view of the price many Muslims in the Middle East has paid for supporting the US-led war on terror, it is certainly wrong to condemn all Muslims, and I think wrong to condemn the majority. Dying in battle against Al'Qaeda is the strongest kind of anti-extremism message you can make.
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Is this extremism Chavez is supposed to be supporting leftist terrorist groups or radical Muslims?
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Well, I don't know for sure, but if his pal-ship with Ahmadinejad is any clue...
...news of latino terrorists training wouldn't be news, they've been doing it forever...
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Here we go:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...6venezuela.htm Yep, Islamic terrorists, as well as other terrorist groups, according to US officials. This story doesn't look as though there's really solid evidence for it, and the US hasn't gone public in denunciations of Venezuela on this front. They have said that Venezuela isn't fully cooperating with anti-terrorist activities, but that's not the same as supporting terrorism. Most major papers haven't mentioned these rumors, though there is one senior US official who said stated these things. I personally believe this story though, because of Chavez's strongly radical political leanings and rhetoric.
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Well, certainly not open support, but Endorsement...yes; even open endorsement.
If it wasn't for us buying his oil, his economy would be really bad and in the dumps...yet he thinks he can trample us. I'm really praying for our independence from oil bought from these countries...I just can't stand it anymore.
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