CAN you BELIEVE the pit i live in???!! - Page 2

Mirahzi · 03-30-2003, 04:30 AM

crickhollow:

I'd like to note that the word I used was unreasonable. Stupid implies scorn, which was not intended. Also, I'm not addressing a specific (or hypothetical) person, rather the act of boycotting both France and Germany.

People have a constitutional right to free press, a right which I am not trying to suppress. I am merely expressing the opinion that such a boycott lacks feasibility.

Hopefully the actual article will be posted soon.

markedel · 03-30-2003, 05:31 AM

Boycotting isn't stupid-but boycotting Germany and France for opposing this U.S policy is pretty stupid. Boycotting China makes some sense, but only some, as it is as hard on the workers as on the government, and I believe prosperity ultimately brings democracy. That's why I don't support the Cuban embargo.

Millane · 03-30-2003, 05:33 AM

its just history repeating itself.. the same thing was proposed at the end of WW1 to stop the Germans from earning money (which they would be paying back to the Allies anyway

)...
i wouldnt do it just because they arent supporting America but id prefer to buy Aust stuff over French stuff anyway

Linaewen · 03-30-2003, 05:43 AM

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its just history repeating itself.. the same thing was proposed at the end of WW1 to stop the Germans from earning money (which they would be paying back to the Allies anyway )...

Why did they suggest it? As if the Germans could earn any money, what with having to pay 6,000 million pounds in reparations.

Lizra · 03-30-2003, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Oi'm roight smart, Oi am!

Lol! I think I'll boycott balloon bending clowns!

support_your_local_elf · 03-30-2003, 12:10 PM

My opinoin (sp? It's early in the morning) on this would be that I guess if you want to boycott, you can boycott. And like if you want to protest, you can protest (well, that's what the Constit. says, but what happens: people get arrested). If people get arrested for protesting, why not boycotting? Sure, it's your free will, but it's not your government. But yet America (grr is very mad at the so great country we live in

it's suposed to be the FREE country. Anyone but me see somethiing wrong with this picture?

Legolaslvr! · 03-30-2003, 12:36 PM

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just let the ppl who want to boycott, boycott! the ppl who still want to use the imports goahgead and use them ( that one will b me(( do i luv FRENCH fries )

Me too! So pass them over to the Yukon!
I travel to Ontario 1 a year to get fries!
I loooove them all we eat here is blubber and fish!
The odd other thing because we barter (trade with other provinces/territories and Countries!)

As for u Syle your answer was magnificent and I couldn't of said it better myself!

sun-star · 03-30-2003, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by support_your_local_elf
My opinoin (sp? It's early in the morning) on this would be that I guess if you want to boycott, you can boycott. And like if you want to protest, you can protest (well, that's what the Constit. says, but what happens: people get arrested). If people get arrested for protesting, why not boycotting? Sure, it's your free will, but it's not your government. But yet America (grr is very mad at the so great country we live in it's suposed to be the FREE country. Anyone but me see somethiing wrong with this picture?

No, I don't really. You do live in a free country. So people get arrested for protesting - at least they don't get shot. There are many countries in the world with a lot less freedom than America, and it might be more helpful to complain on their behalf, don't you think?

support_your_local_elf · 03-30-2003, 07:14 PM

Yes, I know there are countries with a lot of less freedom then us. I wouldn't mind if Americans weren't so arrogant! Most Americans do think they're the best of all people. Bush if a fine example.

jerseydevil · 03-30-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by support_your_local_elf
Yes, I know there are countries with a lot of less freedom then us. I wouldn't mind if Americans weren't so arrogant! Most Americans do think they're the best of all people. Bush if a fine example.

Aren't we?

I wonder how many people outside the US you've talked to if you think we're the only arrogant ones. I personally love this country - adn do I think it's the greatest in the world. Yes I do. And I'm not ashamed that I live here or that I feel this way.

Anyway - your comments concerning getting arrested for protesting are wrong. People get arrested for protesting when they disturb the peace - which is NOT covered by The Constitution. When people block streets, entries to businesses and so forth - that is when they are arrested.

I suppose I have to post this for what feels like the 50th thousand time...

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Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

LuthienTinuviel · 03-30-2003, 08:04 PM

i don't know why i picked that article to get all hot and bothered about, i could have chose the one that tells the newpaper to keep it's liberal views to itself, or the one that suggests that anyone who doesn't suppot the president is going to hell because their not following a christian leader.

hmm im sure i can dredge up a few more assinine (sp?) letters here, just lemme check the back issues.

i guess im just sick of getting flack because i don't support this stupid war. because i don't like this country, because i hate this backwater hell i live in.

i am smarter than 98% of my school, well smarter is a bad word, intelligent is more like it.

...i can't believe that i've lasted this long.

oops, there goes the blood pressure again.

Legolaslvr! · 03-30-2003, 08:10 PM

UH HUH!

jerseydevil · 03-30-2003, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
i don't know why i picked that article to get all hot and bothered about, i could have chose the one that tells the newpaper to keep it's liberal views to itself, or the one that suggests that anyone who doesn't suppot the president is going to hell because their not following a christian leader.

hmm im sure i can dredge up a few more assinine (sp?) letters here, just lemme check the back issues.

Well there are idiots all over the world.

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i guess im just sick of getting flack because i don't support this stupid war. because i don't like this country, because i hate this backwater hell i live in.

Well if you really don't like this country and you think it's a backwater hell hole - then the door is that way. ----->[]

Don't let it hit you on your way to utopia.

Hope you find your utopian society where everyone agrees with what you think. You might have to find a deserted island though.

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i am smarter than 98% of my school, well smarter is a bad word, intelligent is more like it.

Talk about arrogance.

I thought you hated arrogant Americans? or doesn't that apply to you declaring that your smarter than 98% of your class. I've found that the majority of people think they're above average.

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...i can't believe that i've lasted this long.

Well let's hope it's not much longer then.

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oops, there goes the blood pressure again.

You really have to control that - maybe that deserted island where everyone (namely you) agrees with yourself will help that.

Coney · 03-30-2003, 09:21 PM

*picks jersdevil's toys off the floor and puts them back in his pram*

jerseydevil · 03-30-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Coney
*picks jersdevil's toys off the floor and puts them back in his pram*

Why? Because I had the nerve to tell her how the world really is?

It does really get me that in one post she's complaining about Americans (her being one) as being arrogant and can't stand it - and then stating in her last post that she's more intelligent than 98% of her class.

And as i said - if she doesn't like the country and basically hates it - she can leave. This is NOT the Soviet Union or China, or North Korea, or Cuba. She's free to leave whenever she wants.

Coney · 03-30-2003, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Why? Because I had the nerve to tell her how the world really is?

It does really get me that in one post she's complaining about Americans (her being one) as being arrogant and can't stand it - and then stating in her last post that she's more intelligent than 98% of her class.

And as i said - if she doesn't like the country and basically hates it - she can leave. This is NOT the Soviet Union or China, or North Korea, or Cuba. She's free to leave whenever she wants.

Nope, because you presume that the only country that is better than America doesn't exist....

Now, that's arrogant.

So there are Americans that don't actually like some aspects of America.......big deal. Or is criticism of your own country grounds for immediate expulsion?

Still, what do I care? I don't live there

jerseydevil · 03-30-2003, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Coney
Nope, because you presume that the only country that is better than America doesn't exist....

Now, that's arrogant.

Well I personally don't think a better country exists - but that's my personal feeliings. if you find that arrogant - then oh well.

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So there are Americans that don't actually like some aspects of America.......big deal. Or is criticism of your own country grounds for immediate expulsion?

Did I say that and did she say that she just didn't like SOME aspects of the country? NO - she said she didn't like the country PERIOD. If a person doesn't like the country - then they can leave. It's entirely different to point blank say that you hate it - versus pointing out something in particular.

I'm sure if someone came up to you and said "I hate England" you'd say "fine then leave". Although you might say - "well I hate it too" I guess it depends how you feel about your country.

There are a lot of things about America I wish were different or the government did differently. To be happy about everything would be impossible.

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Still, what do I care? I don't live there

You're really missing out.

Coney · 03-30-2003, 10:00 PM

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I'm sure if someone came up to you and said "I hate England" you'd say "fine then leave". Although you might say - "well I hate it too" I guess it depends how you feel about your country.

Actually my usual response is "Get off your backside and do something to change it then"..........I can't stand people who just sit an whinge.

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You're really missing out.

Could be, not willing to waste the time to find out tho'

..........The UK will to fine for me for the next few years

jerseydevil · 03-30-2003, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Coney
Actually my usual response is "Get off your backside and do something to change it then"..........I can't stand people who just sit an whinge.

Well if someone just hates the country - I seriously doubt it would ever be good enough for the person.

If it's something in particular - yeah - then you can work to change it. Just sounds like she just hates America. In which case I repeat - the door is that way ----->[]

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-30-2003, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Coney
Or is criticism of your own country grounds for immediate expulsion?

I don't think JD said she had to leave, merely that if she hated the country so much, she could leave.

03-30-2003, 04:30 AM	#21
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	crickhollow: I'd like to note that the word I used was unreasonable. Stupid implies scorn, which was not intended. Also, I'm not addressing a specific (or hypothetical) person, rather the act of boycotting both France and Germany. People have a constitutional right to free press, a right which I am not trying to suppress. I am merely expressing the opinion that such a boycott lacks feasibility. Hopefully the actual article will be posted soon. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

03-30-2003, 05:31 AM	#22
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Boycotting isn't stupid-but boycotting Germany and France for opposing this U.S policy is pretty stupid. Boycotting China makes some sense, but only some, as it is as hard on the workers as on the government, and I believe prosperity ultimately brings democracy. That's why I don't support the Cuban embargo. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-30-2003, 05:33 AM	#23
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	its just history repeating itself.. the same thing was proposed at the end of WW1 to stop the Germans from earning money (which they would be paying back to the Allies anyway )... i wouldnt do it just because they arent supporting America but id prefer to buy Aust stuff over French stuff anyway __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

03-30-2003, 12:10 PM	#26
support_your_local_elf Enting Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Being one of the two lost souls swimmin in a fish bowl, year after year, runnin over the same old ground.. What have we found? The same old fears..wish you were here... Posts: 58	My opinoin (sp? It's early in the morning) on this would be that I guess if you want to boycott, you can boycott. And like if you want to protest, you can protest (well, that's what the Constit. says, but what happens: people get arrested). If people get arrested for protesting, why not boycotting? Sure, it's your free will, but it's not your government. But yet America (grr is very mad at the so great country we live in it's suposed to be the FREE country. Anyone but me see somethiing wrong with this picture? __________________ "Call it peace or call it reason, call it love or call it treason, but I ain't a-marchin anymore!" -Phil Ochs The fat hobbit KNOWS!!!

03-30-2003, 07:14 PM	#29
support_your_local_elf Enting Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Being one of the two lost souls swimmin in a fish bowl, year after year, runnin over the same old ground.. What have we found? The same old fears..wish you were here... Posts: 58	Yes, I know there are countries with a lot of less freedom then us. I wouldn't mind if Americans weren't so arrogant! Most Americans do think they're the best of all people. Bush if a fine example. __________________ "Call it peace or call it reason, call it love or call it treason, but I ain't a-marchin anymore!" -Phil Ochs The fat hobbit KNOWS!!!

03-30-2003, 08:04 PM	#31
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	i don't know why i picked that article to get all hot and bothered about, i could have chose the one that tells the newpaper to keep it's liberal views to itself, or the one that suggests that anyone who doesn't suppot the president is going to hell because their not following a christian leader. hmm im sure i can dredge up a few more assinine (sp?) letters here, just lemme check the back issues. i guess im just sick of getting flack because i don't support this stupid war. because i don't like this country, because i hate this backwater hell i live in. i am smarter than 98% of my school, well smarter is a bad word, intelligent is more like it. ...i can't believe that i've lasted this long. oops, there goes the blood pressure again. __________________ Last edited by LuthienTinuviel : 03-30-2003 at 08:07 PM.

03-30-2003, 08:10 PM	#32
Legolaslvr! Super Smilie Freak Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the entmoot army, trying to get rid of black and blue! Posts: 350	UH HUH! __________________ MO The fat hobbit hobbit knows!

03-30-2003, 09:21 PM	#34
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	picks jersdevil's toys off the floor and puts them back in his pram __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

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