Interesting Map - Page 2

***RÃan*** · 03-30-2005, 03:14 PM

Cool map!

Lefty Scaevola · 03-30-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

The map implies Arda is a sphere, and the Encircling Sea is... the atmosphere?

It was a disk, until the destruction of Numenor. There are walls at the edge.

Morgoth the Elfbit · 03-30-2005, 09:30 PM

Wait. Seriously? Thats really cool. SO there world actually was flat. cool. How high were the walls cuz what if you hopped over? Anyway this is a cool map.

Twista · 03-31-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Morgoth the Elfbit

Wait. Seriously? Thats really cool. SO there world actually was flat. cool. How high were the walls cuz what if you hopped over? Anyway this is a cool map.

Its more of a metaphor being implied. After the Numenorians did the dirty access from just sailing across the sea was made impossible. Those who travelled to the lands to the west, and who were allowed to enter, were essentially 'transported' away to them after a little sailing...

Last Child of Ungoliant · 03-31-2005, 02:20 PM

the walls of night there are. morgoth was thrust from the walls at the end of the first age, and into the void

Lefty Scaevola · 03-31-2005, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgoth the Elfbit

How high were the walls cuz what if you hopped over?

Miles tall.

Twista · 03-31-2005, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lefty Scaevola

Miles tall.

...painted blue with clouds on them like The Truman Show.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 03-31-2005, 04:15 PM

and signs saying 'These are not here'
with 'Morgoth woz ere, 1st age' daubed in red paint
and 'isil luvs anar 4eva idst'

Morgoth the Elfbit · 03-31-2005, 08:44 PM

Hmm... SO it seems as if this side is all graffitied up is the other side all nice and then in the late 1900s it was knocked down... wait. no. Thats a different wall.

ranugad · 04-05-2005, 06:17 PM

I followed the link to the map - thanks for the link. Wonderful map.

I saw the note connecting it to Karen Wynn Fonstad.
Looked through my 1981 version and could not find it.
Googled her... she has passed!

(
http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1110669403

I remember seeing her book in ?Barnes and Noble? recently and found it had a newer date and one map was missing, my version page 4 and 5.

Anyone have two different copies? Any tally of new or missing pages?

Any more links to online maps?
Any links to full texts of JRRT's works(for research and quoting purposes)?

In case you really like maps to see where you are in the story, I have another atlas by Barbara Strachey, "Journeys of Frodo", 81, 84, 85, Unwin paperbacks, London.

Findegil · 04-08-2005, 06:25 PM

Fonstad did update the book. She changed many maps after the publication of "The History of Middle-Earth", volume 5: "The Shaping of Middle-Earth" and volmue 7: "The Treason of Isengard". In volume 5 were Tolkiens maps showing all Arda and in volume 7 his map to The Lord of the Rings.

In not changing some maps the book became somewhat blured. But overall the new edition is much better.

Respectfully
Findegil

ItalianLegolas · 04-10-2005, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twista

Little thing I've found.

I've never seen the whole of Arda illustrated like this.. thought you might like to see!

I believe that map can be found in The Atlas of Middle-Earth also

Maerbenn · 04-14-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ElemmÃ*rÃ«

I've seen that in The Shaping of Middle-earth, HoME 4.

Actually, Fonstadâ€™s map seems to be based on that map.

Olmer · 04-14-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Maerbenn

Actually, Fonstadâ€™s map seems to be based on that map.

Naturally, all her maps BASED on Tolkien's work. Otherwise it woun't be called "The Atlas of Middle-earth". What Tolkien's map locks is a clear definitions and details. She finished this work for him very admirably.

03-30-2005, 03:14 PM	#21
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03-30-2005, 09:30 PM	#23
Morgoth the Elfbit Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I split my time between Mordor and your Imagination Posts: 30	Wait. Seriously? Thats really cool. SO there world actually was flat. cool. How high were the walls cuz what if you hopped over? Anyway this is a cool map. __________________ Newly Reincarnated from Haradrim Here is my permanent apology for off-topicing. If I do it, which i will, I am sorry. I feel bad about it but being an elfbit messes with your head and things get wonky so spamming is almost inevitable. There will be good replys but for when I do off-topic I am deeply sorry. Offical title: Morgoth the Elfbit: Un-Official Court Jester of the Entmoot At Your Service.... BOW TO ME! Miranda Otto is hot! I Kinda Like Feanor.... (meep)

03-31-2005, 08:44 PM	#29
Morgoth the Elfbit Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I split my time between Mordor and your Imagination Posts: 30	Hmm... SO it seems as if this side is all graffitied up is the other side all nice and then in the late 1900s it was knocked down... wait. no. Thats a different wall. __________________ Newly Reincarnated from Haradrim Here is my permanent apology for off-topicing. If I do it, which i will, I am sorry. I feel bad about it but being an elfbit messes with your head and things get wonky so spamming is almost inevitable. There will be good replys but for when I do off-topic I am deeply sorry. Offical title: Morgoth the Elfbit: Un-Official Court Jester of the Entmoot At Your Service.... BOW TO ME! Miranda Otto is hot! I Kinda Like Feanor.... (meep)

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Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	the walls of night there are. morgoth was thrust from the walls at the end of the first age, and into the void

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04-05-2005, 06:17 PM	#30
ranugad Sapling Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1	I followed the link to the map - thanks for the link. Wonderful map. I saw the note connecting it to Karen Wynn Fonstad. Looked through my 1981 version and could not find it. Googled her... she has passed! ( http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1110669403 I remember seeing her book in ?Barnes and Noble? recently and found it had a newer date and one map was missing, my version page 4 and 5. Anyone have two different copies? Any tally of new or missing pages? Any more links to online maps? Any links to full texts of JRRT's works(for research and quoting purposes)? In case you really like maps to see where you are in the story, I have another atlas by Barbara Strachey, "Journeys of Frodo", 81, 84, 85, Unwin paperbacks, London.

04-08-2005, 06:25 PM	#31
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	Fonstad did update the book. She changed many maps after the publication of "The History of Middle-Earth", volume 5: "The Shaping of Middle-Earth" and volmue 7: "The Treason of Isengard". In volume 5 were Tolkiens maps showing all Arda and in volume 7 his map to The Lord of the Rings. In not changing some maps the book became somewhat blured. But overall the new edition is much better. Respectfully Findegil