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Old 08-23-2004, 08:34 PM   #21
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Oh Dylan, why don't you chill, and have a cheese sandwich?
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Old 08-23-2004, 08:44 PM   #22
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oooh any for me?
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:37 AM   #23
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*munches ruefully on his smoked gouda & avacado sandwich, wishing he had a really crushing remark to deliver*
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Old 08-26-2004, 04:11 AM   #24
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ooh for me! Well until you think of one! LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA! lol just kidding.
But Nolendil what is your opinion on Harfoots or Harfeet matter?
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Old 08-26-2004, 11:14 AM   #25
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your opinion on Harfoots or Harfeet matter?
Stupid hairy footed little shire dweebs.
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:42 PM   #26
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Fat Middle, actually, it's a trick question. Harfoots don't grow beards. So double doop on you.
Got that one. :P
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Old 08-26-2004, 05:23 PM   #27
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Well it looks like the dignity of the the thred diminished when I started posting. oh well....!
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Old 08-27-2004, 02:37 AM   #28
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But Nolendil what is your opinion on Harfoots or Harfeet matter?
I hope the whole discussion explodes into a pile of gooey gore. Not because the answer is easy (because it is), but just because I was trying to be mean to just this sort of line of questioning. If pressed, I would tell you that the correct plural is Harfoots. Tolkien said Harfoots, and it's logical anyway. We're Humans, not Humen. That Proudfoot at Bilbo's party said "Proudfeet", and all the hobbits laughed, but Bilbo immediately corrected him with "Proudfoots".

All the same I suppose you should be thanked by those who took offense to my topic, as you have successfully turned this into what I suppose is a perfectly valid discussion, rather than my attempt, which was more of a rude jab at posters.

So, disregard my cynicism, and carry on, and all that jazz.
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:11 AM   #29
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Well lya know Im always trying to help out. thanks for the compliment.

So as of now:
3 Harfoots
0 Harfeet

There is argument for HArfeet because dont you get to decide how you end your last name. I mena if they want to be called Harfeet then shouldnt that be your name. Im still for HArfoots but I am just trying to open the discussion for it.
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:13 AM   #30
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Yeah when they've come of age maybe they can legally change their name.
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:16 AM   #31
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(just for the sake of keeping this going I wil take the HArfeet side) But why should they have too. If they call themselves Harfeet when talking about several of themselves then isnt that their name and shouldn t Bilbo have respected the prouddfeet as well. I mean who is he to say that they are pronouncing their own name incorrectly.
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:20 AM   #32
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Maybe but it's interesting that only themselves thought of themas harfeet or proudfeet. Maybe it was what they called themselves.
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:24 AM   #33
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yeah on one hand they called themselves whatever they want and peole hould repect that but on the other hand we have simple rules of grammar which tell us otherwise. SO its a hard choice.
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Old 08-27-2004, 06:50 PM   #34
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Wow. I feel pain. Thanks guys.
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Old 08-27-2004, 07:15 PM   #35
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Oh its my pleasure. It is a good debate and one worth considering.
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Old 08-28-2004, 02:43 AM   #36
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Maybe worth considering but the answer is Harfoots. That was their name they could have called themselves something different but it didn't change their anme.
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Old 08-28-2004, 06:10 AM   #38
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However just because the language dictates that doesnt mean that was not their name. I mean if they want to be called Harfeet then isnt that their name. I mean I dont think they had brith certificates did they. So what their deesire is should be their name.

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Old 08-28-2004, 10:34 AM   #39
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There was definitly a Hobbit legal systm so the head of them would have had to do something
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Old 08-29-2004, 06:21 PM   #40
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There was a mayor whos main job was to show up at banquets and stuff. there were police but they mainly policed out siders and there were post men. That was it cept for the great took and the thain. So there wouldnt have been birth certificates and the HArfeet can be called whatever they desire and that is their name.
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