Polygamy

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Darn, I'd be v. interested to hear about the good side.

Gwaimir, I did try and find some stuff, but I must be remember wrong... maybe it wasn't a Polynesian society? (We covered a bit of this society in Social Anthropology 103, but I can't remember what they were called - only that they were dark skinned, and it starts with 'M'...) Oh well. I found this instead:
http://www.occ.cccd.edu/online/gholl...et11/index.cfm

Scroll about half way down the page for the Polygamy information. It's quite an interesting read.

[Rían]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
I love the "anyone who doesnt live like me is a moron" mentality its really quite amusing.

Yet you say, over on the gay and lesbian thread, that anyone that doesn't think like you (over half the population of the US, BTW) is "small-minded", right?

[Rían]

Originally posted by Arien the Maia
I saw a show on Tv last year about a Moron man who had 3 wives and was getting married to a fourth...

Yes, I think this was the typo that started it ... cracked me up!

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Valandil
er... we COULD do that... but methinks it leads us right back down the same slope of slipperiness!

ok obviously my humor is a bit too twisted for this lot.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
Yet you say, over on the gay and lesbian thread, that anyone that doesn't think like you (over half the population of the US, BTW) is "small-minded", right?

anyone who rationally can convince themselves that its ok to strip one type of people of a right that others have is small minded. yes. i dont believe i ever said EVERYONE has to live a multiple marriage. there you go with that subtle twisting thing again.

[Valandil]

BoP, HERE'S the quote I like from your link:

"They are our enemies and so we marry them."

We still do that TODAY! Or is it the reverse???

There was this one original Star Trek episode where Kirk & Co. beamed down to a planet. All the women lived in civilized fashion in subterranean cities. The men lived in a primitive state on the surface and referred to the women as "givers of pleasure and pain"... it was spoofed in a dream scene on "Wonder Years"... hilarious! What would cultural anthropology say about THAT one?

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
ok obviously my humor is a bit too twisted for this lot.

not at all... ergo my SMILIE!

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by Valandil
not at all... ergo my SMILIE!

Im just worried somebody is gonna pull that quote up 6 months from now in some thread out of context and suddenly it will be Insidious the mormon hater!

[Snowdog]

Polygamy is an interesting thing.. but notice its always the guy with many wives? Maybe he likes viriety, or maybe an orgy with some sense of legitmacy, after all, he is "married" to them all. ow about a case where a woman has several husbands? They are usually called sluts, but why is it there are no polygamist women?

[Rían]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
[B]anyone who rationally can convince themselves that its ok to strip one type of people of a right that others have is small minded. yes.

But if it is something that the majority of people think is wrong for everyone to have, then it's not wrong, IMO. IOW, many people disagree that people have a RIGHT to define marriage to be whatever they want it to be.

A perfect example is how Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot run for President of the US. Did voters take away his right to do this? Yes - because they thought that the best interests of the country were served to say that presidents had to have been born here. And over half the people of the US think it's in the best interests of the country for marriage to be between a man and a woman.
But I suppose we should move this back over to the other thread!

i dont believe i ever said EVERYONE has to live a multiple marriage. there you go with that subtle twisting thing again.

I think the "subtle twisting" was maybe in your imagination here - I'm not trying to twist anything, I'm trying to state what I think is logical. My only point was to point out how you talk one way on one issue, and another way on another issue.

[Daisy Baggins]

Polyandry is the practice of women having more than one husband.

It could be argued that people who try to redefine an institution such as marriage to fit their personnal needs are small-minded and self-centered.

[Guillaume le Maréchal]

Wow. This forum is sure interested in marriage... its almost like a canon lawyer convention.

--Dave

[Arien the Maia]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
Yes, I think this was the typo that started it ... cracked me up!

LOL!!! Sorry guys! I meant Mormon and I won't call anyone a "moron" for having certain beliefs.

[HOBBIT]

what a moron

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Arien the Maia
LOL!!! Sorry guys! I meant Mormon and I won't call anyone a "moron" for having certain beliefs.

It's OK... I once heard that a good marriage is "a union of two good forgivers"... and we might add "and apologizers"

Uh... I guess that goes double... if you're a polygamist!

[Insidious Rex]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
But if it is something that the majority of people think is wrong for everyone to have, then it's not wrong, IMO.

why is it you cant seem to grasp the idea that you CANT simply discriminate against a group of people (be they black or jewish or gay or all three for that matter) just because you don’t want them to have the same rights as you no matter HOW many of your friends and fellow citizens want to discriminate against them too.

I think the "subtle twisting" was maybe in your imagination here - I'm not trying to twist anything, I'm trying to state what I think is logical. My only point was to point out how you talk one way on one issue, and another way on another issue.

the argument I am making is don’t discriminate against (or denigrate) certain groups of people based on cultural bias (as far as the discussion in this thread) or religious doctrine (from the gay thread). How is that talking too different ways? Seems pretty consistent to me. The day I start saying you HAVE to have a group marriage or a same sex marriage IF you want your marriage to be recognized as legitimate is the day I become inconsistent.

[Rían]

Originally posted by Valandil, reference numbers added by RÃ*an
1. It's OK... I once heard that a good marriage is "a union of two good forgivers"... and we might add "and apologizers"

2. Uh... I guess that goes double... if you're a polygamist!

1. Great saying!

2. LOL!

[Rían]

Originally posted by Insidious Rex
why is it you cant seem to grasp the idea that you CANT simply discriminate against a group of people (be they black or jewish or gay or all three for that matter) just because you don’t want them to have the same rights as you no matter HOW many of your friends and fellow citizens want to discriminate against them too.

IRex, I CLEARLY grasp your argument, IMO. Let me state in my own words what I think your argument is, and please correct anything I might have wrong (I'll keep the context to American marriage, to keep it simpler) : It is the right of the people of America to marry whomever they choose, therefore it is wrong and discriminatory to say that one person can't marry another person, as long as they are both consenting adults.

Is this about right?

I'll discuss the rest of the post when you are satisfied that I clearly understand what you are saying.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
A perfect example is how Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot run for President of the US. Did voters take away his right to do this? Yes - because they thought that the best interests of the country were served to say that presidents had to have been born here.

Well actually no voters said that. It is part of the Constitution because the founding fathers were concerned with the young nation coming under the influence of foreign governments if a foreign born citizen was elected to president. But we can give him that right with a Constitutional Amendment.

Sween - I could drag out my US Constitution quotes again. I'm having a field day with them today.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by RÃ*an
IRex, I CLEARLY grasp your argument, IMO. Let me state in my own words what I think your argument is, and please correct anything I might have wrong (I'll keep the context to American marriage, to keep it simpler) : It is the right of the people of America to marry whomever they choose, therefore it is wrong and discriminatory to say that one person can't marry another person, as long as they are both consenting adults.

Is this about right?

I would say this is right - at least as to my feelings.

Polygamy gets into sticky issues because of tax benefits and deductions and things. I'm not necessarily for or against polygamy. I do think the majority of wives are ill treated though and seem to be used just for sex and child rearing purposes. They seem to always be treated as second class citizens and subservient by their husbands. That I do not like.