01-15-2002, 11:32 PM | #21 |
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Kiri, you may have quite a future ahead in Tolkien discussions. I look forward to reading more of your insightful posts.
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01-16-2002, 07:40 AM | #22 |
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Mmm, very interesting, I never thought of Hebrew influences in Tolkien work, but I'm gonna look into it. This is gonna be fun. Thanks Kiri!
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01-16-2002, 11:29 AM | #23 |
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No! No! The Book of Enoch? The Apocrypha? Heresy! Heresy! *pointing at kiri* Heretic! Heeeerrrriiiitiiiiic! Get the flaming stake! Drown the witch! Drown the witch! Trial by ordeal!!!!!
should be quite interesting reads, actually.....and they ain't been "King Jamesed" as far as I know.....
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"...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160. |
01-16-2002, 12:07 PM | #24 |
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Just in case anyone is still not sure, here are the titles of the twelve volumes of The History of Middle Earth:
-The Book of Lost Tales Part One -The Book of Lost Tales Part Two -The Lays of Beleriand -The Shaping of Middle Earth (the Quenta, The Ambarkanta, and the Annals -The Lost Road & other Writings -The Return of the Shadow (The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part One) -The Treason of Isengard (The History of the Lord of the Rings Part Two) -The War of the Ring (The History of the Lord of the Rings Part Three) -Sauron Defeated (The History of the Lord of the Rings Part Four) -Morgoths Ring -The War of the Jewels -The Peoples of Middle Earth |
01-16-2002, 03:45 PM | #25 |
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Good, Thanks.
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01-16-2002, 04:47 PM | #26 | |
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Enoch is part of the Ethiopian Canon of Scripture, so it never got into the King James version, although there are a couple different English translations. There is one favored by occultists and one that is translated from the materials used by the Ethiopian Tawahedo (Orthodox) Church. Indeed, the Ethiopians have the broadest of all Biblical Canons. It includes not only the Tanakh and the (Old Testament) Apocrypha but also Jubilees and Joseph ben Gurion's history of the Jews. Their New Testament Canon adds eight books (all of them treatises on matters of Church governance or morality and none of them in the least bit Gnostic, I want to make plain) to the more standard 27. |
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02-10-2002, 05:35 PM | #27 |
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From Barrowdowns.com
The Hobbit The Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring The Two Towers The Return of the King The Silmarillion Unfinished Tales The Adeventures of Tom Bombadil The History of Middle Earth Series The Book of Lost Tales, Part 1 The Book of Lost Tales, Part 2 The Lays of Beleriand The Shaping of Middle-Earth: The Quenta, The Ambarkanta and the Annals The Lost Road and Other Writings The Return of the Shadow: The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part One The Treason of Isengard: The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part Two The War of the Ring: The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part Three Sauron Defeated: The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part Four Morgoth's Ring: The Later Silmarillion, Part One : The Legends of Aman The War of the Jewels: The Later Silmarillion : Part Two : The Legends of Beleriand The Peoples of Middle-Earth |
02-10-2002, 06:41 PM | #28 |
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Of course all the material but the Hobbit and LOTR are not stories, nor even collections of completed short stories as of the Silmarillion but rather explorations of both the process and form of Tolkien's work. The process is the most fascinating part, though I am ever ready to admit I have neither the skill nor the patience to seriously wade through large chunks of HoME. However, I believe that if one doesn't seriously explore Tolkien's work, you're depriving yourself.
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02-10-2002, 06:48 PM | #29 |
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I recently purchased the HotLotR books:
The Return of the Shadow: The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part One The Treason of Isengard: The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part Two The War of the Ring: The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part Three Sauron Defeated: The History of the Lord of the Rings, Part Four They are on the top of my TO READ stack. |
02-13-2002, 11:33 AM | #30 |
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I'm not so sure that I will be reading the History of Middle Earth books. In leafing through them at the bookstore they seem really dry, plus a lot of abandoned material. I'm not so sure that I need all that "inside baseball" to really enjoy LotR, and that's what it's for, right? Enjoyment?
I know there is a lot of good info in Christopher's books, but is it really necessary to read the histories? I admire the dedication of some folks in reading the History, but for me, it just doesn't appeal very much. That's just me.
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