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Okay, let's say that an eagle would carry Frodo. What if it was several eagles - different shifts, so to speak? You'd get greater speed due to less fatigue, and the tempting nature of the ring would be reduced.
Also, it would be a lot quicker by the eagle flies as opposed to as the Hobbit walks. Since it took less time, would Frodo really feel the pull of the ring the same? And if he didn't want to let go of the ring, I s'pose the eagle could just drop him in, like Beor said ^_^ ...But if Frodo DID get to Mordor by eagle, a lot of events that should have happened, wouldn't have. Hmmm. |
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Originally posted by LOTR2004
Eagles I completely agree - I always thought that It would have been a whole lot easier! ________________________________ At first I considered that, but, aside from making a rather short story, check out Azalea's very good reasoning above. Also, it would seem to have been quite possible that Sauron had several forms of early warning systems, general lookouts, scouts, guards, etc. all around the Ered Lithui and Ephel Duath with some nazgul probably minutes or seconds away. Sort of like the U.S. cold war nuclear attack early warning stations in northern Canada. And Sauron's constant searching, with or without the palantir (no sleepy time, I think), probably routinely "swept" the areas, land and air, around Mordor. Still, it always did seem odd that there wasn't even a token guard on Mount Doom.
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there you go then.... on an average dicision, the eagles should have done it lol.
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I would think it'd be impossible to get the Ring to the Crack of Doom if Sauron had any kind of warning (and if an eagle or several eagles helped, I think they'd be easy to spot). Once he knew they were coming, he could defend Mount Doom with all matter of evil nasties. I imagine he could seal off the Crack of Doom, too. The whole point is that Sauron never considered that the free peoples would try to destroy the Ring; in order for it to work, secrecy was essential.
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The reason Sam and Frodo were able to reach Mount Doom (which didn't even have a guard) was because Sauron didn't expect anyone to destroy it. If he was to spot the Eagle, he might realize what was going on. Gandalf said if he concentrated his will on defending Mordor and finding the Ring, they wouldn't have had a chance.
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Surely it must have been somewhere on his mind... He obviously saw them and heard of them moving closer and closer to Mordor. AND he knew, they wouldnt be able to weild its power against him, so what did he acually think they were going to use it for?
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Valandil - that was my understanding, too. I think that's a big part of why Sauron feared Aragorn; Sauron knew Aragorn was strong enough to challenge him with the Ring. Incidentally, you have the coolest avatar I've seen so far...
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Yes exactly, Sauron did fear that Aragorn could wield it and use the Ring against him, especially after they struggled with one another in the Palantir and knowing now for sure that Aragorn was Isildur's Heir. It also helped the cause the Pippin looked into the palantir previously, making it seem like he was the Ringbearer at the time...
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I think the argument regarding the eagles being too easily spotted in Mordor is valid, but I would still stress that it goes beyond that. Okay, if not to Mt. Doom, how about just to Lothlorien? Or at least just over Caradhras? Their help would have saved a lot of blood and sweat, along with avoiding that pesky Balrog, but apparently it just wasn't an option, for reasons already stated.
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13 months to Mordor was it? And what the hobbits walk at 3mph?
So thats 13 x 30 x 24 = 9360 hours Take off 3360 for sleeping etc? 6000 hours.... so its 2000 miles to Mordor? What speed wud u say an eagle flys at?
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I think Sauron did not guard Mt. Doom because the thougt that anyone would want to destroy something that could give them so much power was entirely foreign to his nature. He assumed they would go to Minas Tirith, and Aragorn, probably, or Gandalf, would become Ringlord. If he was in their position, he would certainly have claimed it and become powerful. He can't even concieve the idea that they would want to destroy so much power.
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Still, you'd think he'd have at least 1 orc garrasoned there, out of the 1000's he had availible to him...
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Okay, back on topic, so what if the eagle carried Frodo to Minas Tirith? That way, Sauron would still be convinced that the city was its destination, and might not notice the halfling that slipped out in the night... But that brings new problems - Minas Tirith might have been attacked a lot sooner, plus if certain people knew how close the ring was... well... |
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There was a guard on the plateau of Gorgoroth. Remember the huge encampment that Sam and Frodo saw along their way? That was it. And they were as close as they were going to be with any chance of safety in the case of an eruption (even a relatively minor one, let alone one like what happened when the ring went into the fire.)
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"Allright, let's think about this 'bright idea' you all have. Okay, so I'm an evil dark lord who thinks nothing of sending his troops into a battle where they will be slaughtered wholesale, but do you really think I'm going to be stupid enough to station my people on or anywhere near an active volcano?"
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