Why doesn't anybody like Gollum? - Page 2

surjay · 11-07-2001, 07:52 PM

Gollum's one of, if not, my most favorite characters in all of Tolkien's work. Not only being humorous, but he is extremely vital to the entire story, and people overlook just how important he really was.

It's debatable whether or not Sam and Frodo would of made it into Morder without Gollum. It's possible, but just how likely? Even though it was a setup, Gollum did provide them with an alternate entrance, and showed them the way into the darkland. I highly doubt Sam and Frodo would of just stumbled across an easy way into Morder, and I think things would of ended up far worse had they just walked up to the Black Gate.

Gollum also was very helpful in the Dead Marshes, as Frodo and Sam seemed ill prepared to overcome them on their own.

But aside from all of this, which is very arguable, Gollum provides the biggest help of all by falling into the cracks in the end. Frodo even admitted he would not of been able to destroy the ring, and it seemed pretty obvious he wasn't going to do it, so unless Sam was going to slay him, or try to rip it off his hand, which is doubtful, without Gollum, the quest would of failed.

Kwijibo · 02-02-2002, 12:02 PM

Here's an interesting thought.

Would Gollum have gone 2 the Grey Havens if he hadn't fallen into the Cracks of Doom?

If he didn't fall in but the Ring was still destroyed he would have been a ringbearer wouldn't he? So would he have gone with Frodo and Sam and the Elves 2 the Grey Havens?

Just a thought.

athelas · 02-02-2002, 12:35 PM

I like Gollum as a character.

He's interesting, but his personality leaves much to be desired. And yes, without him, the hobbits would not have even survived the dead marshes, let alone make it to Mordor. I enjoyed the arguments between him and Sam, especially the tater and coney one and the sneaking one.

Nah, Gollum wouldn't even touch an elven rope, let alone get on an elven ship bound for the home of the Valar. He would be spending the rest of his miserable days in a cave with some fisssh in Middle Earth, craving for the One Ring.

Arathorn · 02-02-2002, 12:42 PM

We likes the way it talkses, me and I; the way it talkses to itselves, yessss yessssss...

firstus ravenwood · 02-02-2002, 02:23 PM

Gollum is great,

Sure he is a nasty bit of work with strange personal habits that may be because of the ring.
I reckon he was a bit odd by birth and lets face it there is no hobbit psychologist character in the books to analise this further.
So he is a case for care in the community but which one the good or the bad, east or west of the river.
You cannot deny that what ever drives him he dosen't give up and without doubt boiled on to the great creepsville in the sky.

May he rest in peace steaming.

Comic Book Guy · 02-02-2002, 03:31 PM

Gollum would have almost certainly died if the ring was destroyed and he survived because of his bond to the ring, being more under its control than Frodo and Bilbo. Something similar to the cause of the Ringwraiths death.

FrodoFriend · 02-02-2002, 04:50 PM

I like Gollum. He's one of my favorite characters - and the most complicated one in LotR.

TinuvielChild · 02-28-2002, 12:26 AM

smeagol is cool, gollum is cool, although i doubt deagol thought so

, he's a very important character and at least he knows some good riddles (remember, he would have won the riddle game if bilbo hadn't mused aloud "what have i got in my pocket"), just had to express the sentiment that the LotRs would not have been the same by a long shot without gollum. smeagol rules!

Earenya · 02-28-2002, 05:48 PM

When all I knew of was 'The Hobbit', Gollum was my favorite character. He is just so repulsive that it was fun- the images of the old cartoon version of him still flash through my mind when I read any of LotR! Now that I am older, I tend to like most all of the characters for different reasons and I would feel hard pressed to pick only one favorite. And with the movies now, my favorite 'movie characters' will probably be different than in the books since the stories are slightly altered for screen.

Renille · 02-28-2002, 11:31 PM

Gollum reminds me of Fagin from Oliver Twist. They're both probably essentially good inside,became obsessed by things that eventually corrupted them (Fagin, money;Gollum, the Ring) slowly became part of the "wrong crowds" (Fagin, Bill Sikes; Gollum,Mordor), both were taken and turned to their formerly good sides for a time, and both eventually reverted to evil.

Gollum's a very "interesting character!"

Evenstar · 03-01-2002, 01:19 AM

I actually thought Gollum was kinda cute...he wasn't one of my fav characters, and I would have hit him a couple of times if I was Sam, but I was glad that he was there...especially at the end of RotK!!!
He was a great develped character I thought!!! So I definitely do not hate him!!!

Arathorn · 03-01-2002, 01:25 PM

If there's one thing I really loved in the Bakshi animation, it's Smeagol's voice; especially right before he kills Deagol. (Filthy, bored, naughty sounding)

Kwijibo · 03-09-2002, 01:52 PM

Who hateses poor, preciouss SSmeagol? We likes SSmeagol, doessn't we, my preciouss, yesss!

We feels ssorry for him, yess, because he endss up a bit ssinged doesn't he, doesn't he?

And we like the way he talkses doesn't we, preciouss?

And we likes fissh every day, three timess a day, fressh from the ssea! Yess, my preciouss! And we likes eggses too!

Arathorn · 03-09-2002, 02:21 PM

Smeagol: Whats have we got there Deagol my love...Gives it to uss...

Deagol: I've already given you a lot. I found this...and I'm going TO KEEP IT...

Smeagol: Oooohh...Is that sooo..MY LOVE!<censored violent footage here>

aldesign · 03-09-2002, 05:25 PM

GOLLUM IS GREAT

he scared the pants off of me in the hobbit, and then in FOTR aswell,

which is why i admire him so much, cos he does his role soo great!

Wayfarer · 03-09-2002, 06:05 PM

Gollum is the best.

the Bakashi gollum was a hundred times better than jackson's.

Comic Book Guy · 03-09-2002, 06:09 PM

Quote:

the Bakashi gollum was a hundred times better than jackson's.

Isn't Jackson's Gollum only in 3 shots? Just saying,

Wayfarer · 03-09-2002, 06:53 PM

Yeah... but black skin, a hunched back, and that growling voice?

Ñólendil · 03-09-2002, 07:14 PM

I'm not sure green skin is any better than black.

Renille · 03-09-2002, 11:46 PM

At least he doesn't look like a mutant cross between ET and a bullfrog anymore, like he did in the animated "Hobbit."

11-07-2001, 07:52 PM	#21
surjay Sapling Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Madison, IN USA Posts: 6	No hate.. Gollum's one of, if not, my most favorite characters in all of Tolkien's work. Not only being humorous, but he is extremely vital to the entire story, and people overlook just how important he really was. It's debatable whether or not Sam and Frodo would of made it into Morder without Gollum. It's possible, but just how likely? Even though it was a setup, Gollum did provide them with an alternate entrance, and showed them the way into the darkland. I highly doubt Sam and Frodo would of just stumbled across an easy way into Morder, and I think things would of ended up far worse had they just walked up to the Black Gate. Gollum also was very helpful in the Dead Marshes, as Frodo and Sam seemed ill prepared to overcome them on their own. But aside from all of this, which is very arguable, Gollum provides the biggest help of all by falling into the cracks in the end. Frodo even admitted he would not of been able to destroy the ring, and it seemed pretty obvious he wasn't going to do it, so unless Sam was going to slay him, or try to rip it off his hand, which is doubtful, without Gollum, the quest would of failed. __________________ "What's taters, precious, eh, what's taters?"

02-02-2002, 12:02 PM	#22
Kwijibo Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlorien (actually Wales, but let's not talk about that) Posts: 117	Here's an interesting thought. Would Gollum have gone 2 the Grey Havens if he hadn't fallen into the Cracks of Doom? If he didn't fall in but the Ring was still destroyed he would have been a ringbearer wouldn't he? So would he have gone with Frodo and Sam and the Elves 2 the Grey Havens? Just a thought. __________________ 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you can decide is what to do with the time that is given to you,' - Gandalf the Grey 'I left my body to science, but I'm afraid they've turned it down' - In memory of Graham Chapman 'Rubin sits like Buddah in a 10 foot cell, An innocent man in a living hell,' - From 'Hurricane' by Bob Dylan, the only innocent Hurricane protest song, written stressing the innocence of Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter, a black, middle-weight boxer imprisoned for 19 for a triple murder which he did not commit.

02-02-2002, 12:35 PM	#23
athelas Enting Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Twilight Meres Posts: 87	I like Gollum as a character. He's interesting, but his personality leaves much to be desired. And yes, without him, the hobbits would not have even survived the dead marshes, let alone make it to Mordor. I enjoyed the arguments between him and Sam, especially the tater and coney one and the sneaking one. Nah, Gollum wouldn't even touch an elven rope, let alone get on an elven ship bound for the home of the Valar. He would be spending the rest of his miserable days in a cave with some fisssh in Middle Earth, craving for the One Ring. __________________ Farewell sweet earth and nortern sky, for ever blest,since here did lie and here with lissom limbs did run beneath the Moon, beneath the Sun, Lùthien Tinùviel more fair than mortal tongue can tell. Though all to ruin fell the world and were dissolved and backward hurled unmade into old abyss, yet were its making good, for this-- the dusk, the dawn, the earth, the sea-- that Lùthien for a time should be. "I am glad you are here with me. Here at the end of all things, Sam."-Frodo FRODO LIVES!!! (erm...Sam does too, right?)

02-02-2002, 12:42 PM	#24
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	We likes the way it talkses, me and I; the way it talkses to itselves, yessss yessssss... __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

02-02-2002, 04:50 PM	#27
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I like Gollum. He's one of my favorite characters - and the most complicated one in LotR. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-02-2002, 02:23 PM	#25
firstus ravenwood Sapling Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: where the waters weep Posts: 4	Gollum is great, Sure he is a nasty bit of work with strange personal habits that may be because of the ring. I reckon he was a bit odd by birth and lets face it there is no hobbit psychologist character in the books to analise this further. So he is a case for care in the community but which one the good or the bad, east or west of the river. You cannot deny that what ever drives him he dosen't give up and without doubt boiled on to the great creepsville in the sky. May he rest in peace steaming.

02-02-2002, 03:31 PM	#26
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Gollum would have almost certainly died if the ring was destroyed and he survived because of his bond to the ring, being more under its control than Frodo and Bilbo. Something similar to the cause of the Ringwraiths death.

02-28-2002, 12:26 AM	#28
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	smeagol is cool, gollum is cool, although i doubt deagol thought so , he's a very important character and at least he knows some good riddles (remember, he would have won the riddle game if bilbo hadn't mused aloud "what have i got in my pocket"), just had to express the sentiment that the LotRs would not have been the same by a long shot without gollum. smeagol rules! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

02-28-2002, 05:48 PM	#29
Earenya Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pinnath Gelin, formerly in Angaron... Posts: 228	When all I knew of was 'The Hobbit', Gollum was my favorite character. He is just so repulsive that it was fun- the images of the old cartoon version of him still flash through my mind when I read any of LotR! Now that I am older, I tend to like most all of the characters for different reasons and I would feel hard pressed to pick only one favorite. And with the movies now, my favorite 'movie characters' will probably be different than in the books since the stories are slightly altered for screen. __________________ O mor henion i dhu Ely siriar, el sila Ai! Aniron.... Tiro! El eria e mor I 'lir en el luitha 'uren Ai! Aniron... FRODO LIVES!

02-28-2002, 11:31 PM	#30
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	Gollum reminds me of Fagin from Oliver Twist. They're both probably essentially good inside,became obsessed by things that eventually corrupted them (Fagin, money;Gollum, the Ring) slowly became part of the "wrong crowds" (Fagin, Bill Sikes; Gollum,Mordor), both were taken and turned to their formerly good sides for a time, and both eventually reverted to evil. Gollum's a very "interesting character!" __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

03-01-2002, 01:19 AM	#31
Evenstar Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Neverneverland Posts: 215	I actually thought Gollum was kinda cute...he wasn't one of my fav characters, and I would have hit him a couple of times if I was Sam, but I was glad that he was there...especially at the end of RotK!!! He was a great develped character I thought!!! So I definitely do not hate him!!! __________________ "Frodo, Mr Frodo," he called. "Don't leave me here alone. It's your Sam calling. Don't you go where I can't follow." FRODO LIVES !!!!

03-01-2002, 01:25 PM	#32
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	If there's one thing I really loved in the Bakshi animation, it's Smeagol's voice; especially right before he kills Deagol. (Filthy, bored, naughty sounding) __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

03-09-2002, 01:52 PM	#33
Kwijibo Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlorien (actually Wales, but let's not talk about that) Posts: 117	Who hateses poor, preciouss SSmeagol? We likes SSmeagol, doessn't we, my preciouss, yesss! We feels ssorry for him, yess, because he endss up a bit ssinged doesn't he, doesn't he? And we like the way he talkses doesn't we, preciouss? And we likes fissh every day, three timess a day, fressh from the ssea! Yess, my preciouss! And we likes eggses too! __________________ 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you can decide is what to do with the time that is given to you,' - Gandalf the Grey 'I left my body to science, but I'm afraid they've turned it down' - In memory of Graham Chapman 'Rubin sits like Buddah in a 10 foot cell, An innocent man in a living hell,' - From 'Hurricane' by Bob Dylan, the only innocent Hurricane protest song, written stressing the innocence of Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter, a black, middle-weight boxer imprisoned for 19 for a triple murder which he did not commit.

03-09-2002, 02:21 PM	#34
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Smeagol: Whats have we got there Deagol my love...Gives it to uss... Deagol: I've already given you a lot. I found this...and I'm going TO KEEP IT... Smeagol: Oooohh...Is that sooo..MY LOVE!<censored violent footage here> __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

03-09-2002, 05:25 PM	#35
aldesign Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uk Posts: 447	GOLLUM IS GREAT he scared the pants off of me in the hobbit, and then in FOTR aswell, which is why i admire him so much, cos he does his role soo great! __________________ The funniest story on the net, made by entmoot fanatics, visit it @ FOTMB.com FRODO LIVES!! GET FREE AVATARS HERE!

03-09-2002, 06:05 PM	#36
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Gollum is the best. the Bakashi gollum was a hundred times better than jackson's. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-09-2002, 06:53 PM	#38
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Yeah... but black skin, a hunched back, and that growling voice? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-09-2002, 07:14 PM	#39
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I'm not sure green skin is any better than black. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

03-09-2002, 11:46 PM	#40
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	At least he doesn't look like a mutant cross between ET and a bullfrog anymore, like he did in the animated "Hobbit." __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

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