Who do you think should be elected in 2008?

[ElizabethAnnRoger]

Im so sry, being in my position I am not able to relate to you and I dont mean to brag in anyway. I honestly didnt know this was going on. Have you tired everything you can? Have you already resorted to chaning govs?

[Curufin]

Of course I have.

And I'm hardly in the minority.

Stuff like this happens every single day to millions of uninsured people.

My only point is that maybe before completely condemning a political theory, you should look at it from all sides. There are cons to socialism - I'm the first one to say that. But there are pros as well.

[ElizabethAnnRoger]

Is there a way to...idk...get in between? Without TOTAL socialism, but not total poverty?

[Curufin]

Of course there is. Look at the political systems in Scandinavia, or in the United Kingdom.

[ElizabethAnnRoger]

Then who would be the ideal canadate?

[Curufin]

There is no ideal candidate.

[Empress_Flynn]

Originally Posted by Curufin

There is no ideal candidate.

Amen to that.

If I am back in the country by then, however, I still think I'll go for Obama.... McCain is fine and all, but Sarah Palin as VP (and possible future president if poor old McCain dies) absolutely kills it for me..

[ElizabethAnnRoger]

lol i honestly think the same really. McCain is a bit of a hothead. lol I want to see Sarah up in office. lol McCain needs to die as soon as he can when he wins. lol jk jk

[shesabrandybuck]

Not a fan of either one really.
but I hope for Obama.
since i cant vote yet....

[ElizabethAnnRoger]

i cant vote either lol. its ok. Its just that Obama...well he scares me realy

[Empress_Flynn]

How does Obama scare you, EAR?

[ElizabethAnnRoger]

I still dont get wat he wants to change. he is a great speaker, but when it comes to right now no prep he stumbles. He is soo young and knows it, but cant live it yet. Plus, he wants his own race out of the USA so i was told...idk how that works dont ask me. he wants change....we all do....and McCain is going to change the same things, just I know how hes going to do it. Obama...well....i think if he were up in the oval office we would be having a hard time. especially with the economy. we need exprerience right not. But i dont hate obama. hes just not wat we need RIGHT NOW.

[Empress_Flynn]

Personally I think you're going a little too much off of hearsay, EAR... saying things like "so I was told..." really just amounts to hearing it from a source who may or may not know what they are talking about. I think maybe if you investigated the issues thoroughly and for yourself, that would be a benefit to your debate and point of view

And this is just a little something fun for everyone... my sister sent it to me... it's a quiz that tells you who's policies you agree with more by putting up two (unlabeled) statements on the same subject (one by McCain and one by Obama). You choose which appeals to you more and at the end it tallies who you tended to agree with more

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Match...age?id=5542139

[Curufin]

Originally Posted by Empress_Flynn

Personally I think you're going a little too much off of hearsay, EAR... saying things like "so I was told..." really just amounts to hearing it from a source who may or may not know what they are talking about. I think maybe if you investigated the issues thoroughly and for yourself, that would be a benefit to your debate and point of view

Hear hear!

Remember that there are a lot of idiots out there on both sides spouting nonsense. Look these things up through primary sources and learn for yourself. . .don't simply regurgitate what someone else tells you!

[Empress_Flynn]

I agree wholeheartedly with that statement... It's always best to do the proper research for yourself, rather than relying on others to summarize it for you. Who's to say their summaries are correct?

I also think that there is no candidate who is right about everything, there is no candidate who I will agree with on everything, and there is no candidate who is going to fix everything that needs fixing. The best we can do is elect whoever we think will be better for running the country at the moment.

And if it turns out we elected the wrong person... we can always overthrow the government

[sisterandcousinandaunt]

Originally Posted by ElizabethAnnRoger

I still dont get wat he wants to change. he is a great speaker, but when it comes to right now no prep he stumbles. He is soo young and knows it, but cant live it yet. Plus, he wants his own race out of the USA so i was told...idk how that works dont ask me. he wants change....we all do....and McCain is going to change the same things, just I know how hes going to do it. Obama...well....i think if he were up in the oval office we would be having a hard time. especially with the economy. we need exprerience right not. But i dont hate obama. hes just not wat we need RIGHT NOW.

McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time. He's on record as opposing equal pay for equal work. He has completely renounced anything that was ever important to him, personally, in this effort to be elected.

I find it very sad, actually.

As Shakespeare said:

For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despis'd love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would these fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death, —
The undiscover'd country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, — puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know naught of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;

After all the time that man spent telling himself he was always and forever a hero, I do not envy him his dreams...particularly if he 'succeeds'.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by ElizabethAnnRoger

Plus, he wants his own race out of the USA so i was told...

And which race is that? His white one or his black one? Or does he want all mixed people out of the US?

My advice is dont rely on internet forwards to supply your opinion about presidential politics...

[Willow Oran]

He is soo young and knows it.

Obama is forty-seven.

You say we need experience but you want McCain to die so Sarah Palin will be president? Do you realize that she is a political joke in terms of experience?

There may be be no 'ideal' candadite, but McCain is NOT the lesser of two evils. He's sold out to the far right, will not change a thing from the Bush administration's policies, and has both a terrifyingly inexperienced and conservative VP pick and dubious mental and physical health.

I'm voting for Obama.

[Earniel]

Originally Posted by Willow Oran

There may be be no 'ideal' candadite, but McCain is NOT the lesser of two evils. He's sold out to the far right, will not change a thing from the Bush administration's policies, and has both a terrifyingly inexperienced and conservative VP pick and dubious mental and physical health.

I was kind of amused when McCain said very dramatically in one of his speeches that 'change was coming!' And I was thinking 'What change? With you? How are you not going to be another four years of the same?'

I can't vote in your elections but after the USA sicced eight frigging years of Bush on the rest of the world, I'm going to be very cross with the uSA if you elect McCain just because Palin looks pretty and shoots animals she doesn't like!

[Willow Oran]

Fortunately during her interviews (the very scripted few she's been let off her leash to give) she's taken every oppurtunity to shoot herself in the foot. Seriously, the woman just bombed an interview with Katie Couric. She came out and said that if Israel wants to fire missiles at Iran then it should be allowed to do so because Iran is "the bad guy," using finger puppet hand gestures.