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Now here is a lout who really should watch his tongue.
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The one I told you about IS a pentagon poll. I'm figuring that the Sunni & Shiite one is largely Shiite opinion.
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But the fact that all these protesters have made such a leap in logic regarding what the pope actually said, and have automatically believed the worst of him shows me that the tension and distrust between the Muslim and the Western worlds is very extensive and is spread to even largely peaceful Muslim countries like Indonesia. That alone is a very bad sign about the growing influence of extremism. EDIT: Hmm. Speaking of Indonesia . . . http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5368922.stm This isn't looking so grand for Muslim/Western relations either. I don't think anything will. I believe that relations between the East and the West, Muslims and everyone else, are going to keep getting worse and worse and worse.
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09-22-2006, 11:41 AM | #366 |
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How about, if every time there is a demonstration, burning of cars, killing of non-muslims; we gather a huge group on non-muslims and do *exactly the same thing to them* saying THEY are intollerant.
.....it could get quite ugly quite soon.....
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09-22-2006, 11:44 AM | #367 |
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An eye for an eye. Sounds like a swell plan.
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09-22-2006, 12:04 PM | #368 |
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Well, all I can say is I think the Muslims have got a lot of catching up to do.
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Three now! You guys are going to have to be patient and take a number and have a seat while I work through all this. I only got so much time now for virtual yelling unfortunately. Anyway, back to self important bluster mode…
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I still say, no other group has demonstrated, destroyed and decapitated others, in recent years, more than muslims and for the simple reason that those beheaded weren't.!
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I picked up a brochure about Islam from the UBC Muslim Students' Society today. Does anyone want me to type it out in here for them?
It explains some basics about Islam.
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not really.
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Haha!!
Well, that answers that then!
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Part 1
Discover Islam: The Reader
Islam simply means to achieve peace - peace with God, peace with oneself, and peace with the creations of God - through wholly giving oneself to God and accepting His guidance. Islam is not a new faith. Muslims believe that it is the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is not just a personal religion, but a complete way of life. Who are Muslims? Muslims come from all races, nationalities, and cultures across the globe. They have varied customs, languages, foods, and dress; even the way they practice Islam may differ. Yet they all consider themselves to be Muslim. Less than 15% of Muslims live in the Arab world; a fifth are found in Sub-Saharan Africa; and the world's largest Muslim community is in Indonesia. Substantial parts of Asia, and almost all the Central Asian republics, are Muslim. Significant Muslim minorities are found in China, India, Russia, Europe, the United States, Canada, and South America. Muslim Beliefs Muslims believe in the One, Unique, Incomparable, Merciful God - the Sole Creator, Master, Sustainer, and Cherisher of the Universe; in the Angels created by Him; in the prophets through whom His revelations were brought to humankind; in the Day of Judgement, and in individual accountability for actions; in God's complete authority over destiny, be it good or bad; and in life after death. Muslims believe that God sent His messengers and prophets to all people. God's final message to humanity was revealed to the last prophet, Muhammad, through the Archangel Gabriel. Muhammad, the Last Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) was born in Makkah in the year 570, during the period of history Europeans call the Middle Ages. He was a direct descendant of Ishmael, the eldest son of Abraham. Muhammad was orphaned at a young age, and was a shepherd in his youth. As he grew up, he grew known for his truthfulness, generosity and sincerity; earning the title al-Amin, the trustworthy one. At age 25, Muhammad married Khadijah, an honourable and successful businesswoman. They were blessed with two boys and four girls. It was an ideal marriage, and they lived a happy family life. Muhammad was of a contemplative nature and had long detested the decadence and cruelty of his society. It became his habit to meditate from time to time in the cave of Hira' near the summit of Jahal an-Nur, the "Mountain of Light," on the outskirts of Makkah. At the age of 40, while engaged in a meditative retreat, Muhammad received his first revelation from God through the Angel Gabriel. This revelation for twenty-three years and is known as the Qur'an. Muhammad began to share the revelations he received from God with the people of Makkah. They were idol worshippers, and rejected Muhammad’s call to worship the only One God. They opposed Muhammad and his followers in every way. These early Muslims suffered bitter persecution. In 622, God gave the Muslim community the command to emigrate. This event, the hijrah or migration, in which they left Makkah for the city of Madinah, marks the beginning of the Muslim calendar. Madinah provided Muhammad and the Muslims a safe and nurturing haven in which the Muslim community grew. After several years, the Prophet and his followers returned to Makkah and forgave their enemies. Then, turning their attention to the Ka’bah (the sanctuary that Abraham built), they removed the idols and redecorated it to the worship of the One God. Before the Prophet died at the age of 63, most of the people of Arabia had embraced his message. In less than a century, Islam had spread to Spain in the west, and as far east as China.
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Thanks for posting that, Nurvi . It is somewhat enlightening. I didn't really learn anything from it (except the population figures), but as I was reading their statements about peace, it became more clear to me why some Muslims nowadays think that Islam is the most peaceful religion in the world. That was interesting.
The last two paragraphs from the Reader are absolutely terrible in their inaccuracies and swiftness to skip over unpleasant but important facts, but the rest is better. I can well understand the writers' desire to completely skip over and in one place change the historical facts in the last two paragraphs, for they want to portray Islam as a peaceful religion. They don't want to admit to a highly violent history to an audience that already is in part being turned against Islam by the actions of the Muslim extremists. I'm very glad that they correctly translated the meaning of Islam. Many people incorrectly translate it as meaning "peace," when it actually means "peace through submission." They make the true meaning clear in their first paragraph.
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Well, it is just an overview of Islam. It's not going to go into the complex history of the religion in an 8 page booklet.
What you said made me finally understand what people mean by submission. It's giving oneself to God, in this case. What's innacurate about the last two paragraphs? I have no evidence to support those paragraphs, except I thought the Moors were Muslim, and they went to Spain. It's not impossible that Muslims went to China.
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