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The problem is that since his election he has shown to be very unlike John Paul in delivery if not in substance. And frankly when yer the pope its all about delivery. He chooses to speak directly TO different religions and philosophies in a way that characterizes them as being less then Christianity (or Catholicism) and not worth following: "(The church has been shaken by) numerous ideological currents. The boat has been unanchored by these waves, thrown from one extreme to the other: from Marxism to liberalism, up to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism, and on and on. An adult faith does not follow the waves of fashion and the latest novelty." Frankly I take some offense in that myself thank you. You wouldn’t hear this kind of accusatory ‘us against them’ delivery from John Paul. He would come to the very same notion in a way that didn’t make you feel like he was belittling you and the way you think. THAT’S what Im talking about… Quote:
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*imagines ... if we had a church of england archbishop as pope .... * yes, yes...Gwai .... i once had to explain (incredulously) to this really religious methodist mate ( nice bloke) in a pub what the whole thing about Rangers and Celtic was about ... (Glaswegian footie teams btw) |
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2) He did not, I expect, intend to aggravate. 3) The derogatory comments which were quoted, not agreed with (he specifically stated that he disagreed with Manuel), were all merely tools he used to get into the discussion of faith and violence, and to say that a "holy war" is contrary to God's nature. If you say something, intending to promote peace and condemn religious violence, and people take it as insulting, that's their problem, not yours. Quote:
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I'm a wee confused, BB; what exactly did you have to explain about the Celtic/Ranger debacle, and what is the relation to our current topic?
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2) What exactly is wrong about lumping these extremists with the extremists who shot the nun, etc.?
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The violence of the protesting, the vicious signs: they bring out what the Pope was talking about in the first place!!! Those whack jobs weren't real Muslims, I know...they didn't mingle with the real Muslims, I know. It's just BLACK & WHITE. But damn me for being so forthright! Quote:
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now this would have opened up a can of theological worms for the Church of England ... Celtic = catholic ... Rangers = protestant -tis the sectarian divide (hence i was saying, yes gwai ..i know .... a C of E Pope isn't gonna happen ... ) Related to the topic? You got me there! But like all sequels, they tend to go down hill anyway ... what exactly is this thread about anyway? (seriously) best, BB |
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Heck, why don't we just nab Ahmadinjihad when comes over here? Komeini too while we're at it...and maybe Jiminiy Carter too.
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How deeply ironic, non-Americans think our media is baised... the other way around! Actually Earniel, if you know our media, they usually try to overbalance balancing. They'll get one conservative who sounds like a dolt, and ten liberal professors to "give both points of views".
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But most people seem to think that I mean can condemn only the whole world at one time...
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Is the fact that not ALL christians are pedophile priests undeniable? It is. Is the fact that NOT ALL Muslims get violent, in word or deed, undeniable? It is. not a biggie this Hec , but i think it is worth being clear ... else, meant or not it looks exactly like the hatred and intolerance pedalled by the islamic fascists against the west. You are saying (in the current form that you continue to put it) that my Muslim work colleague is a violent zealot - and he is not, nor his wife nor kids ...you imply if you actually do not bother to rephrase it that Serenoli is as well. I see no evidence of Serenoli threatening you with violence. I'd say just be careful to taint everyone with the same brush - Did not Hitler do the same to the jews? Just because fanatical muslims may do it does not make it right. Nor ubiquitous. best, BB Last edited by Butterbeer : 09-20-2006 at 06:01 PM. |
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Her's a list of various reactions. Considering there are 1 billion muslims around and only a few of them have burned any churches yet, I think it's safe to assume most muslims aren't that inclined to violence.
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A sarcastic part of my mind is waiting for the moment someone's gonna stand up and declare to the world that all muslims are short-tempered, have no sense of humour and are prone to over-react. It would be... interesting to see the hotheads' reaction. I can already imagine one jumping up saying: "That's not true! Hang the infidel! We demand apologies, we... oh, wait a sec..." Quote:
And on a personal note, Hector, given all the mails we traded, I kinda had expected better from you. So before you go accusing me of anything, I'll haver you know that I was including my own national media in my statement. You used the word bias, not me. If there is any bias of the media I had in mind, than it was the preference of ANY media to go for the sensational topics, not the quiet, rational ones. Do you disagree with me on that? [EDIT: Merged with existant thread of same name]
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