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hb, sycreticism is not plagiarism... But you do have a great point that some ideas might simply be true and therefore shared by many cultures by virtue of their inner veracity. edit: Spock, are you telling us to stick to the topic of Ossama Alsaadawi and his mistranslation of heiroglyphs? Last edited by Elfhelm : 07-13-2006 at 01:37 PM. |
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07-13-2006, 01:41 PM | #223 | |
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Not trying, really, to perpetuate the off-topic-ness; I just wanted to know:
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Sorry about perpetuating the off-topicness, Spock. I'll try to be brief.
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What I was trying to communicate is several things. One, which I showed with maps, is that Abraham came from Kush, his descendants settled in Canaan, Jacob (Israel) had a son, Joseph, who was sold into slavery in Egypt. His family moved there. After 400 years they were freed and moved back to Canaan. This was brilliantly disproven by Telecontrarian with the simple phrase "it's a lie". Another is that there are many sources, not one origin to Christianity. There are elements of Hinduism, Mithraism, Essene Judaism, and Greek mystery cult practices, and that is BEFORE it picked up the pagan rites of Easter, Halloween, Christmas, etc. as it is practiced today. So to say it all came from Egypt, and that the heiroglyphs prove it, and to use a method of translation that is disputed by EVERY Egyptologist of any merit, is basically er... a lie. |
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Okay, I get it now. Sorry.
btw,here's a bit of a link I found... doesn't really say it all, but it's something.
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Hectorberlioz, why do I have to repeat myself again, I have already stated even though I believe these things, that does not mean that I could not be wrong, this thread is about discussing the possibilities. I really am getting tired of repetitive non points made, as appose to making a real arguement or are you not able to make a compelling arguement; are you just disagreeing for disagreeing sake? I know you are young and inexperienced and it might be alittle hard for you, but try, try and make a compellling argument, Ok.
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07-13-2006, 05:58 PM | #228 |
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Dear Sir, which point that I made was lacking a reference? It will be my privilege to rectify that error immediately! I have a library full of references and a lifetime of research. I thought that I did supply all necessary information, but if there is anything in particular that I neglected to cite, please do me the honor of asking.
On the other hand, you, Sir, have provided nothing but a link to the works of Ossama Alsaadawi. Since he is not here to support his theories, and you have stated that you agree with them, it is only reasonable for us to ask you to actually argue the point, rather than to simply dismiss every counter argument as a lie. Thanks. |
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I gave you extensive academic proofs as presented by the Doctor, as well as the academic forums which had at least 10 professional egyptologists debating Alsadawi with most of them agreeing. I gave the link to the audio of his interview. "It is only reasonable for us to ask you to actually argue the point, rather than to simply dismiss every counter argument as a lie." You are the one dismissing my points from the very beggining and have yet to provide one compelling argument. You again are tryin to play with words and accuse me of doing exactly as you are doing. The only compeling argument that was given in this entire debate was when Count Comfect made his, "the rhetoric" argument. Further more, as we are talking about the past, if you were so confident in your arguments why didn't you post the link to the entire debate instead of an excerpt, as i had requested, 5 times no less. I had to post it myself, I see you are careful not to mention that again. Also, you are clever again, as you have changed your original arguement so as to not sound totally incredible given the info I have presented. Now you admit that there is evidence that suggests that elements of christianity did arise from egypt, without admiting the change to me and without admitting that my arguments hold some merit. your origianl position: Quote:
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But anyway, yes, Rosie, canonical Judaism considers any Jew who believes that Jesus is the Messiah to be an apostate of the Jewish faith, as I understand it.
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Gwaimir - the Talmud is primarily composed of commentary on the meaning of the Tanakh. But I did mispeak. When I said "only," I meant out of 2 Testaments, you take only one. Yes, the Talmud is canonical.
As for Jesus, what Gwaimir said is correct.
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Well, I checked in to see if there was any specific reference request, and there wasn't. What is here is:
1. A repeated bunch of nonsense about posting the entire website of egyptologist.com into this thread. Absurd. I quoted ONE Egyptologist. He made a very good argument to Alsaadawi almost TEN YEARS AGO. I copied that argument. Furthermore, there is NO COMPULSION here that can force another person to post anything. The sum total and only intent I had in providing that Egyptologist's essay was to provide an academic argument that I considered entirely persuasive. Attempting to compel me to post less persuasive, non-academic, or poorly-thought-out opinions from the same site is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT and proves only that he who is making such a request did not understand either the motive behind the quote, or for that matter, the value of the quote, and to the point, the meaning of the quote, if he even read it. 2. Some sort of claim that I changed my stance, as if, even it were true, that were erroneous. I did not change my stance, but even if I had it would have been because I learned something new which convinced me that an earlier idea was innaccurate. I do that all the time. When I was 19 I thought in absolutes, but now I am 50 and everything seems so blended together that at times I find I must embrace opposite points of view and let them both live together for a time. However, I have not done that here. My first statement was that the monotheism of Akanaten was in fact henotheism in one area of the world while the monotheism of the Jews developed from henotheism in Canaan. I can get sources on that, if anyone wants it. My second point, that the eucharist developed from Greek mystery cults that developed from Osirian rites does not conflict with that. And I can get you sources on that, too. However, your contention remains that the heiroglyphs have been mistranslated and that Osama Alsadaawi has correctly translated them. And that Alsadaawi's translations demonstrate that Islam existed in ancient Egypt. That is your and Alsadaawi's claim. That is the argument here. It has nothing to do with Greek mystery cults or the eucharist. So while I may be able to show some influences across cultures, that is simply because cultures that trade together, think together. But that does NOT support Alsadaawi in any way. But your premise has been utterly disproven by many fine scholars, and is entirely unsupportable except within its own tautology. Last edited by Elfhelm : 07-14-2006 at 11:41 AM. |
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Let me say for the record that this is my last post in this thread. If you want to speak to me on the subject, feel free to PM. I'm tired of the squabbling. It's getting too heated, people.
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Tautology= a : needless repetition of an idea, statement, or word b : an instance of tautology. Nice one.
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It does seem like somebody lit a fire in here, but I believe it is the person who is running away with the gas can.
I didn't bring up the eucharist with the intent of highlighting a disagreement about transubstantiation. I think even those who see the eucharist as symbolic would have to acknowlege the connection to other eucharistic traditions in the region at the time. It has been explored by many modern writers, but I'll just reference Karl Jung for now. Anyway, I still say that this ritual is not proof of the ORIGIN of three of the world's largest religion. It is, however, evidence that new religions actually arise out of older religions. |
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You really disappointment. All you do is make stuff up about what I say and post things out of context. Something is seriously wrong with you. Again, I want you to quote me!!! Quote me!!! Quote me!!!...I dear you!!!
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So you are NOT saying that Islam was practiced in Ancient Egypt? Do you realize that Alsadaawi is translating the heiroglyphs as KORAN QUOTES? What does that amount to, if not what I read?
On 12/4/2003 1:31:19 PM Ossama Alsaadawi wrote: Quote:
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