04-30-2006, 04:36 PM | #201 |
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04-30-2006, 05:04 PM | #202 |
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Well, I do thank you for putting up with me . I realize I may seem pretty crazy.
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04-30-2006, 06:58 PM | #203 |
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Everyone in this thread is very passionate, it seems, about this discussion. I was just passing through and decided to say a little something.
Whatever the subject of the conversation, make sure that is all it is, a conversation. Whatever the subject of the discussion, be sure it stays a discussion. Whenever a conversation or a discussion becomes a public arguement and people feel they have to apologise for their opinions, bad things tend to happen. Bad feelings are formed and uncomfortable interactions make the entire conversation/discussion sour. Sometimes others are offended by things that are said offhandedly and this should be taken into consideration. I think that's all I wanted to say. Hope you all have a nice day and a good life!
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I was just dismayed that you seem to have selectively read what I've posted for the last few weeks. Understanding the real issues behind conflicts and trying to deal with them does not have to mean appeasement. Not basing a society upon fundamentalist viewpoints isn't the same as not allowing fundamentalists to participate as part of a democratic system. The world has changed a lot in the sixty years since world war two. Positively, I would say. On "us and them", I said: Quote:
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True. I have to stop fighting human nature.
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"The War God's name is Ares" "We call him Mars. The Northern Barbarians call him Tiu" And, yeah, the Romans were the past masters of co-opting this for political purposes, with their Pantheon, where every god from every obscure part of the Empire was given his or her niche. I like the Gibbons quote from "Decline and Fall" about the myriad gods worshipped in Rome: "To the people they were all equally true, to the philosophers all equally false, and to the government all equally useful." But long before that dissatisfaction with the old pagan gods had set in. The Greek philosophers scorned their scandalous stories; mystery cults like those of Osiris, Mithras, Pythagoras, (and even Judaism before it fell under a political cloud), swept through the Empire and the Hellenistic world before that. And the same thing happened in all the great ancient civilisations. Buddhism and Jainism arose out of disssatisfaction with Aryan Brahmanic polytheism,and Hinduism itself was born out of a reaction to that challenge. Same thing in China, with Confucianism and Taoism. The Axial Age; 6th Century B.C.- Gore Vidal wrote a novel called "Creation" in which an (admittedly long-lived ) Persian met Zoroaster, the Buddha, Confucius and Socrates- and he could have thrown in Deutero-Isaiah as well. There was something that caused the old standard beliefs to be seen as inadequate Quote:
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A bit of a new angle, but I thought this was interesting ... from an article in a book called "Encountering the World of Islam"
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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It's intrinsically unworkable also, because even saying there shouldn't be an "us and them" view creates an "us and them" boundary. There are those who, like you, are against the "us and them" perspective, and there are those who are for the "us and them" perspective. Thus you're logically automatically stuck with an "us and them" perspective. Furthermore, it's clear from the fact that you feel fundamentalists should be forbidden from government office that they are a "them" to you, and not an "us."
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I agree with most of your post, GreyMouser. I just don't see how it invalidates any of what I said .
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Accept the fact that radically different worldviews can coexist peacefully and sometimes these different systems "work" even better for some societies. Sometimes they do not, as well. But, if so, concentrate on the specific issues. There is no better and worse, only different. And, when issues arise, look towards dealing with the issues, not the esoteric philosophies behind them. Because you aren't going to be able to really change those anyway. But you can learn to live with them peacefully if (big if), you can first give them a chance.
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Again, you don't read my posts. Unlike the fundamentalists, I don't think the best world is one where we all choose to follow the same moral belief system. I think it's perfectly fine that one person can be a devout christian and another a devout muslim, along people like myself who don't really favor one system over the other. I don't even think it's necessarily the end of the world if two people think of each other as totally misguided. All I'm asking is that people try to look at the bigger picture a bit more. The big "us". Accept the fact that radically different worldviews can coexist peacefully and sometimes these different systems "work" even better for some societies. Sometimes they do not, as well. But, if so, concentrate on the specific issues. Quote:
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(and they're great for flattening things, too!)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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As long as that person does not actually burn babies alive, they are free to worship as they wish. What's the alternative you would suggest?
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