People who have never read the book but are now massive non-fans - Page 2

Elfhelm · 04-25-2002, 06:44 PM

There was once a man who felt his people didn't have a mythology. He loved to read the myths of related peoples, even to the point of learning ancient dead languages. He became one of the most knowledgeable people in certain dead forms of his own language. But secretly, that wasn't what he wanted. He wanted to create a mythology for his people. His journals began to be filled with poems and tales of the imaginary people of this imaginary mythology. He wrote the songs they sang and the stories they told. He wrote in the old dead languages, and he wrote in old dead forms. He addressed (in his journal) the people he lived with to tell them that he could see the beings of myth in the elms that surrounded them all.

He went to war and was injured, and he returned home to the girl he wanted to marry. She helped him recover from his injuries and encouraged his mythologizing. He wrote, she copy-edited. They married and had children.

He was hired to write a dictionary, then he became a teacher of old dead languages and ancient texts. Over his life he wrote many books, eventually publishing what was to be called "the book of the century".

Many years after he died, a filmmaker used the settings from his books and a few elements of his stories to make a movie.

Then people who said they "hated to read" declared themselves fans.

The very idea that anyone would defend illiteracy and use his name in that context reached under the ground, and he rolled over in his grave!

Elf Girl · 04-25-2002, 08:12 PM

Indeed!

BeardofPants · 04-25-2002, 08:18 PM

Go Elfhelm! Couldn't have put it better myself.

And yes, I've still got this pot of boiling hot oil here, if you want I should put you in it.

Darth Tater · 04-25-2002, 09:49 PM

It's nice to know there are some people here who agree with me

LuthienTinuviel · 04-25-2002, 10:27 PM

good history lesson... wanna cookie? (there chocolate chip)

i never heard him say that he wass a TOLKEIN fan. but just a movie fan.

if he did say he was a tolkein fan then i agree with tater.

he is a peter jackson fan, and a movie fan, posting in the forum and thread (whish was clearly labeled) for movie business,.. so i am still having just a little bit of trouble understanding why people are against him?

hmm

haha i said whish :P

cassiopeia · 04-25-2002, 11:25 PM

Who is this man Elfhelm speaks of, did he write some book?

I read the LOTR for the first time a few years ago and I can't get the images of the movie out of my head. I prefer EW as Frodo cause he looks so much better than the illustrations I see in books. And I never thought I would think bad thoughts about Frodo and Aragorn!
I agree that since this is a movie forum you don't need to read the books to particpate.

Blackheart · 04-26-2002, 02:00 AM

I tried my best to get people to read the books before they saw the movie.

The happiest I have been in a long time is when my eight year old son turned to me in the movie theatre and said " That's not a Balrog, it's got a Cow's head!"

It's humbling to be vindicated by a small child.

viggosbeard · 04-26-2002, 04:08 AM

I have been reading lotr more or less constantly for a long time now, the biggest compliment i can give PJ is that at times i felt i had seen the movie before , im sure hes been in my head nicking my images - but I do agree that reading the thing is a must , with all due respect to PJ its a peice of the pie not the full hit - long live the written word !

Valacirca · 04-26-2002, 11:40 AM

I have read the books many many times before seeing the movie, and I must say that I wasnÂ´t even sure would I go to see it, because I was afraid that it would change my images of it, but luckily it didnÂ´t - now when I read the book, I still see my own images of characters and places in my mind. A friend of mine told that she sees Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn now, and I was like "eeew..." Reading a book before seeing the movie is better IMO, but still - movies are fine too. Even though they wouldnÂ´t be what you expect. (meaning = PJÂ´s vision was quite different than mine.

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Elfmaster XK · 04-26-2002, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blackheart
I tried my best to get people to read the books before they saw the movie.

The happiest I have been in a long time is when my eight year old son turned to me in the movie theatre and said " That's not a Balrog, it's got a Cow's head!"

It's humbling to be vindicated by a small child.

Hee hee! Children do say the funniest things! I once had a friends sister say to me about cheese on toast 'why don't you put the cheese on first?' Made me laugh!

Sorry that wasn't veery relevant but i thought it was funny...

***azalea*** · 04-26-2002, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blackheart
...my eight year old son ...

Aww, Blackheart. You have a little orclet, you old softy, you!

Elfhelm · 04-26-2002, 01:34 PM

I think vig stated my feeling best about the current movie. It's one piece of the pie. There were other movies, and there will be more made. To me, a movie producers rendition is just like a painter or musician's rendition. They are all tributes to the original and were never meant to do anything more than supplement the experience. I bet every actor in these movies, along with the directors and set designers and computer animators right down to the last little grip haulling heavy cameras up a snowy mountainside, read the books. So I don't think someone who sees the movie and refuses to read the books ever got the point, and can't possibly be a fan.

Elf Girl · 04-26-2002, 02:43 PM

Tater, was it you who changed the subject?

Entlover · 04-27-2002, 02:07 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel

he is a peter jackson fan, and a movie fan, posting in the forum and thread (whish was clearly labeled) for movie business,.. so i am still having just a little bit of trouble understanding why people are against him?

One reason I like the Entmoot is there's no foul (Orc-like) language, as I've seen on other sites.
It would be enjoyable if we also tried to go easy on people we don't agree with -- don't trash them on brief acquaintance. I have a dear friend who's illiterate, has many good qualities, but would look a fool if he tried to post here, . . we can't all be professors of literature. No one who posts here can be all bad if they love FotR, movie, book or comic version! (Hey, where's the comic?)

viggosbeard · 04-29-2002, 03:12 AM

Elfhelm

I think you are a poet

04-25-2002, 06:44 PM	#21
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	There was once a man who felt his people didn't have a mythology. He loved to read the myths of related peoples, even to the point of learning ancient dead languages. He became one of the most knowledgeable people in certain dead forms of his own language. But secretly, that wasn't what he wanted. He wanted to create a mythology for his people. His journals began to be filled with poems and tales of the imaginary people of this imaginary mythology. He wrote the songs they sang and the stories they told. He wrote in the old dead languages, and he wrote in old dead forms. He addressed (in his journal) the people he lived with to tell them that he could see the beings of myth in the elms that surrounded them all. He went to war and was injured, and he returned home to the girl he wanted to marry. She helped him recover from his injuries and encouraged his mythologizing. He wrote, she copy-edited. They married and had children. He was hired to write a dictionary, then he became a teacher of old dead languages and ancient texts. Over his life he wrote many books, eventually publishing what was to be called "the book of the century". Many years after he died, a filmmaker used the settings from his books and a few elements of his stories to make a movie. Then people who said they "hated to read" declared themselves fans. The very idea that anyone would defend illiteracy and use his name in that context reached under the ground, and he rolled over in his grave! __________________ cya

04-25-2002, 08:12 PM	#22
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	Indeed! __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-25-2002, 08:18 PM	#23
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Go Elfhelm! Couldn't have put it better myself. And yes, I've still got this pot of boiling hot oil here, if you want I should put you in it. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-25-2002, 09:49 PM	#24
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	It's nice to know there are some people here who agree with me __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

04-25-2002, 10:27 PM	#25
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	good history lesson... wanna cookie? (there chocolate chip) i never heard him say that he wass a TOLKEIN fan. but just a movie fan. if he did say he was a tolkein fan then i agree with tater. he is a peter jackson fan, and a movie fan, posting in the forum and thread (whish was clearly labeled) for movie business,.. so i am still having just a little bit of trouble understanding why people are against him? hmm haha i said whish :P __________________

04-25-2002, 11:25 PM	#26
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Who is this man Elfhelm speaks of, did he write some book? I read the LOTR for the first time a few years ago and I can't get the images of the movie out of my head. I prefer EW as Frodo cause he looks so much better than the illustrations I see in books. And I never thought I would think bad thoughts about Frodo and Aragorn! I agree that since this is a movie forum you don't need to read the books to particpate. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

04-26-2002, 02:00 AM	#27
Blackheart Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Darkness Posts: 1,211	I tried my best to get people to read the books before they saw the movie. The happiest I have been in a long time is when my eight year old son turned to me in the movie theatre and said " That's not a Balrog, it's got a Cow's head!" It's humbling to be vindicated by a small child. __________________ I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ...

04-26-2002, 04:08 AM	#28
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	I have been reading lotr more or less constantly for a long time now, the biggest compliment i can give PJ is that at times i felt i had seen the movie before , im sure hes been in my head nicking my images - but I do agree that reading the thing is a must , with all due respect to PJ its a peice of the pie not the full hit - long live the written word ! __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

04-26-2002, 11:40 AM	#29
Valacirca Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 21	I have read the books many many times before seeing the movie, and I must say that I wasnÂ´t even sure would I go to see it, because I was afraid that it would change my images of it, but luckily it didnÂ´t - now when I read the book, I still see my own images of characters and places in my mind. A friend of mine told that she sees Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn now, and I was like "eeew..." Reading a book before seeing the movie is better IMO, but still - movies are fine too. Even though they wouldnÂ´t be what you expect. (meaning = PJÂ´s vision was quite different than mine. )

04-26-2002, 01:34 PM	#32
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	I think vig stated my feeling best about the current movie. It's one piece of the pie. There were other movies, and there will be more made. To me, a movie producers rendition is just like a painter or musician's rendition. They are all tributes to the original and were never meant to do anything more than supplement the experience. I bet every actor in these movies, along with the directors and set designers and computer animators right down to the last little grip haulling heavy cameras up a snowy mountainside, read the books. So I don't think someone who sees the movie and refuses to read the books ever got the point, and can't possibly be a fan. __________________ cya

04-26-2002, 02:43 PM	#33
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	Tater, was it you who changed the subject? __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-27-2002, 02:07 AM	#34
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	[QUOTE]Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel he is a peter jackson fan, and a movie fan, posting in the forum and thread (whish was clearly labeled) for movie business,.. so i am still having just a little bit of trouble understanding why people are against him? One reason I like the Entmoot is there's no foul (Orc-like) language, as I've seen on other sites. It would be enjoyable if we also tried to go easy on people we don't agree with -- don't trash them on brief acquaintance. I have a dear friend who's illiterate, has many good qualities, but would look a fool if he tried to post here, . . we can't all be professors of literature. No one who posts here can be all bad if they love FotR, movie, book or comic version! (Hey, where's the comic?)

04-29-2002, 03:12 AM	#35
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	Elfhelm I think you are a poet __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

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