01-23-2013, 03:40 PM | #1 |
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One Ring Timeline
Thought I would share this with my fellow mooters: Visual timeline of the One Ring
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01-23-2013, 08:07 PM | #2 |
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Nice share! Thank you!
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Thanks! I like it.
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02-16-2013, 07:49 PM | #5 |
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This one is even more impressive. Timeline of the Elves. Could pour over this all day. Wouldnt mind a poster size version actually.
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02-17-2013, 04:57 PM | #6 |
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That one certainly takes some study. Very impressive.
Thanks for sharing, again!
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02-17-2013, 08:11 PM | #7 |
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Blimey. Which is to say, groovy.
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02-17-2013, 08:39 PM | #8 |
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I think there were two different versions of Celeborn's background.
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Some Avarin Elves were noted as reaching Beleriand, but in a later text Of Dwarves And Men Tolkien at least appears to have revised this. Quote:
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I think this is a reference to the merging of some of the Avari with elves from both the Sindarian line and the Nandorian line producing the Silvan. At least thats how I read that.
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02-20-2013, 03:39 PM | #12 |
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IIRC from somewhere in HoME, during the first parts of the 2nd age, many Avari clans, both Nelyar and Tatyar based, spread out in Eriador in between the Noldor/Sindar/Nandor/Silvan fusion kingdoms, but were largely wipe out or driven into the kingdoms during the War of Elves and Sauron. I recall an article naming 5 separate clans of Tatyarin Avari, and 1 of Nelyarin Avari. Iwould guess it is in the Quendi and Eldar essay somewhere.
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Some descriptions according to Quendi And Eldar (1959-1960, noted as Q&E below). But see below where I think it's at least possible that Tolkien might have rejected certain ideas.
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High Elves: returned Noldor Middle Elves: Sindar Dark Elves: those who had never marched to the Western Shores and did not desire to see Aman. According to this the 'Dark Elves' seem like the Avari to me, and it is noted that the Silvan Elves were Middle Elves according to the Numenoreans, although unknown to the Atani until later days, as they were like the Sindar Teleri... Quote:
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So from Q&E Avari ever having been in Beleriand seems rejected (as well as Eol being an Avar from the Second Clan). And whether or not they had been in Eriador seems a bit unclear in my opinion (so far), but at least there were seemingly none in Frodo's day. And whether or not any of the Avarin Penni, for example, ultimately merged with these Teleri in the Anduin Vale does not seem to be mentioned in later texts, that I recall so far anyway. There may be more texts to help sort things out. Anyone? One could easily enough say that Quendi And Eldar is the more detailed account, and that other later texts about the Silvan Elves simply leave out this detail. This seems to be the opinion of the chart marker (or makers) here, but it remains at least possible, I think (again if nothing else surfaces that I've forgotten), that Tolkien maybe later abandoned the idea of any Avari here. According to The Lord of the Rings the 'East-elves' of Mirkwood and Lorien (there said to not be Eldar, but yet the East-elves are not said to be Avari specifically) seemingly can sail West Over Sea, considering Nimrodel and other Silvan Elves for example. Would a true Avarin Elf, a 'Refuser', desire this, even if allowed? But again, being able to sail, or desiring to anyway, may be true of the East-elves in general, while a more detailed conception possibly includes some Nelyarin Avari... ... or not Last edited by Galin : 02-21-2013 at 11:10 AM. |
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