Entmoot
 


Go Back   Entmoot > J.R.R. Tolkien > Lord of the Rings Books
FAQ Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-03-2008, 12:44 PM   #61
Galin
Elven Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 222
Quote:
According to this site, in Adûnaic man was narû: 'narû "man" (SD:434), Elvish stem NERE (WJ:393; though according to the Etymologies, the original stem was DER, with NÊR as a special Quenya form - see LR:354, 376). naru "man, male" (434, fully inflected in 437, that also gives an alternative form narû)'

See also that man and male was the same word, like in English.
I'm no expert in Adûnaic, but I note the gloss is lower case here. Also, the author of this list appears to be drawing a comparison to the Elvish stem *NERE referring to physical strength and valour, from which the word nér 'a male person, a man' was derived. There is another entry in this Adûnaic list:

Quote:
anâ 'homo, human being' (426, 434, fully inflected in 437); masculine anû 'a male, man', feminine anî 'a female' (434) (more technical words than naru, kali 'man, woman').
These examples roughly date to the mid 1940s IIRC.

Anyway I can't claim much about my Westron guess *kil, but I do note an Eldarin stem KHIL- back in Etymologies, with a general meaning 'follow', from which derives 'hildi followers = mortal men' and the word Tarkil is noted (*tara-khil) in the same entry. This same root is repeated in the later texts published in PE17, where it is also noted under Dúnadan: 'All Men were also called hildi 'followers' (KHIL- follow).'

This might enlighten the meaning of Westron *kil (that I guess could be a word in Westron anyway). In any case, generally speaking, words borrowed from another language need not carry the exact same meaning as the original tongue.
Galin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Prophecy for the end of the world in 2012 Spock General Messages 111 10-03-2006 12:38 AM
The Prophecy...? Halbarad of the Dunedain The Star Wars Saga 47 04-23-2005 06:30 PM
Túrin and The Second Prophecy of Mandos Maedhros The Silmarillion 4 02-24-2003 10:35 AM
The Second Prophecy of Mandos Nerdel The Silmarillion 12 09-29-2000 02:15 PM
The nature of Prophecy in Middle-earth bmilder Lord of the Rings Books 23 06-16-2000 04:10 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) 1997-2019, The Tolkien Trail