is the map of narnia connected to the map of middle earth?

zavron · 09-21-2002, 04:04 PM

is the map of middle earth and the map of narnia connected? I have experimented on this idea. I have placed them next to each other and found that they make a whole.What i want to know is the maps do join together to make a greater whole?

Radagast The Brown · 09-21-2002, 04:10 PM

what's narnia?

zavron · 09-21-2002, 04:24 PM

narnia is a series of books written by c.s. lewis. You may know the lion the witch and the wardrobe,that is one of the books of narnia.

yours sincerely zavron

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 09-21-2002, 04:57 PM

Welcome to Entmoot zavron. I can't really answer your question about the maps, but you may or may not know that C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien were great friends along with Charles Williams and a couple of other fellows that were writers. From what I understand, they all met weekly in a pub and exchanged their thoughts and ideas on writing. They were known as the Inklings. Therefore, it is not surprising to see some similarities between Lewis' and Tolkien's work. I believe out of the five Inkling, that Lewis and Tolkien were closests in friendship and were instrumental in each others works.

ArwenEvenstar · 09-21-2002, 05:13 PM

Ents running around Cair Parvel (sp?)

galadriel · 09-21-2002, 05:27 PM

Nifty idea! Do you have any pictures of your attempts at conjoining the two? I'd like to see it!

Of course, my annoying thoughtful side finds it neccessary to point out that Lewis and Tolkien probably intended their worlds to be "parallel" worlds rather than parts of the same world. Middle-earth is a version of our own universe; Narnia is a different universe.

It's still fun to speculate, though.

***Rían*** · 09-21-2002, 05:49 PM

True, Galadriel - fun to think of the Peter & Co. jumping into one of the pools and ending up in M.E., though!

"The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien" has many references to Lewis. My favorite is from letter 72, where Tolkien read "The Choices of Master Samwise" to Lewis, and Lewis was "actually affected to tears...".

Nazgûl Queen · 09-22-2002, 06:57 AM

But, I think I recall someting about Tolkien not approving of the Narnia series? Correct me if I'm wrong...

Renille · 09-22-2002, 01:48 PM

Yeah. He thought they were merely children's stories, plus they were allegories...he didn't approve of allegories at all.

But still...I wonder what Gandalf could have done to the White Witch...

ArwenEvenstar · 09-22-2002, 01:51 PM

Saruman's the white witch... you figure it out

If i had a map of both i'd compare that maybe ME is the Land beyond the thing where Reep-a-cheep (SP????) goes

galadriel · 09-22-2002, 05:41 PM

Reepicheep rocks!!!

Ahem....

The land that Reepicheep went to, which I will call the Land at the End of the World for lack of a better title... wasn't that more or less heaven? And while Middle-earth might be heavenly to some of us, it's not exactly paradise.

However, you just gave me an idea. If the Land at the End of the World is to the East of Narnia proper, and Valinor is in the West of Arda, then the Land at the End of the World and Valinor could be the same place!

Technically, this can't be valid, because the Emperor Over Sea (is that what they called him? well, God, at any rate) is supposed to live in the former location, while Valinor is strictly Valar territory... but it's a nifty idea anyway.

zavron · 09-23-2002, 11:51 AM

Thanks to everyone who has contributed. I have more information. This is what i think.Middle earth is the west side and narnia east side and in between is the desolant and unexplored lands of RHUN. I have seen on a website a planatory map (thats a map of a planet ) and on one half of the planet there is a big piece of land with no seas within it, just one big mass. This land has been seperated into three sections. On the first section, the west side, there is middle earth, and the other sections remane nameless. My theory is that the middle section is RHUN and the third section, the east , is narnia. Ifyou have any more ideas please use the thread or contact me.

Quote:

Never laugh at live dragons!!!!

zavron

Linarryl · 10-22-2002, 01:27 PM

Narnia is a place made by C.S. Lewis. Middle-earth was made by J.R.R. Tolkien. THey didn't plan this together to connect their maps. It probably was an accident.

galadriel · 10-22-2002, 06:15 PM

Well, yeah, but it's fun to speculate anyway.

zavron · 10-25-2002, 11:44 AM

I KNOW THE TRUTH i have found the truth about the maps i have found a special website which has a copy of the written proof that personally says that C.S. LEWIS helped J.R.R. TOLKIEN with the maps and that they shared ideas personallyand I have found lots of maps i would put a link for the maps but im afraid there to big so a very big SORRY!!!

Quote:

Never laugh at live dragons!!!

zavron

p.s. mods and admins please keep this thread up for i might have more info

zavron · 10-25-2002, 11:47 AM

r.e.

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Narnia is a place made by C.S. Lewis. Middle-earth was made by J.R.R. Tolkien. THey didn't plan this together to connect their maps. It probably was an accident.

they did plan together with other writers too they formed a group called the inklings.

sun-star · 10-25-2002, 01:27 PM

As far as I know, the Inklings was just a group of friends who read each other's work and discussed common interests, rather than planning work together, although I suppose they would have given each other advice.

Feredir · 01-15-2008, 07:47 PM

Narnia and Arda are two separate planets. I have charted all of Arda. In the middle is Middle-Earth (hee-hee-hee), to the east is Romennor, to the south is Harad, to the southeast is Hyarmenor, to the west is (or at least was) to the west, beyond that is Tol Eressea (Eldamar), and beyond that is Aman (which was forbidden for all mortals to enter after the world was reshaped during the Akkalabeth (Fall of Numenor). Narnia is a completely different planet.

ecthelion · 03-26-2008, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by zavron

I KNOW THE TRUTH i have found the truth about the maps i have found a special website which has a copy of the written proof that personally says that C.S. LEWIS helped J.R.R. TOLKIEN with the maps and that they shared ideas personallyand I have found lots of maps i would put a link for the maps but im afraid there to big so a very big SORRY!!!

please try to put a link to it, many people here would REALLLLY appreciate it!

09-21-2002, 04:04 PM	#1
zavron Chieftain of The Order of The Blue Flame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: I am a Figment of your Imagination!!! OOOHHHH!!! Posts: 1,729	is the map of narnia connected to the map of middle earth? is the map of middle earth and the map of narnia connected? I have experimented on this idea. I have placed them next to each other and found that they make a whole.What i want to know is the maps do join together to make a greater whole?

09-21-2002, 04:10 PM	#2
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	what's narnia? __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

09-21-2002, 04:24 PM	#3
zavron Chieftain of The Order of The Blue Flame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: I am a Figment of your Imagination!!! OOOHHHH!!! Posts: 1,729	narnia narnia is a series of books written by c.s. lewis. You may know the lion the witch and the wardrobe,that is one of the books of narnia. yours sincerely zavron

09-21-2002, 05:13 PM	#5
ArwenEvenstar Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: and why do YOU want to know? Posts: 685	Ents running around Cair Parvel (sp?) __________________ The only thing active about me is my imagination!

09-21-2002, 05:27 PM	#6
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	Nifty idea! Do you have any pictures of your attempts at conjoining the two? I'd like to see it! Of course, my annoying thoughtful side finds it neccessary to point out that Lewis and Tolkien probably intended their worlds to be "parallel" worlds rather than parts of the same world. Middle-earth is a version of our own universe; Narnia is a different universe. It's still fun to speculate, though. __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

09-21-2002, 04:57 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Welcome to Entmoot zavron. I can't really answer your question about the maps, but you may or may not know that C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien were great friends along with Charles Williams and a couple of other fellows that were writers. From what I understand, they all met weekly in a pub and exchanged their thoughts and ideas on writing. They were known as the Inklings. Therefore, it is not surprising to see some similarities between Lewis' and Tolkien's work. I believe out of the five Inkling, that Lewis and Tolkien were closests in friendship and were instrumental in each others works.

09-21-2002, 05:49 PM	#7
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	True, Galadriel - fun to think of the Peter & Co. jumping into one of the pools and ending up in M.E., though! "The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien" has many references to Lewis. My favorite is from letter 72, where Tolkien read "The Choices of Master Samwise" to Lewis, and Lewis was "actually affected to tears...". __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

09-22-2002, 06:57 AM	#8
Nazgûl Queen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 400	But, I think I recall someting about Tolkien not approving of the Narnia series? Correct me if I'm wrong... __________________ Morauko Umrien, Queen of the Nazgûl and Lady of Mordor Mistress of the Night The Nazgûl Queen she was, the Ringwraith, the enemy's most terrible servant; darkness went with her and she cried with the voices of death. Can be found loitering at Fantasy Essentials or her livejournal...

09-22-2002, 01:48 PM	#9
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	Yeah. He thought they were merely children's stories, plus they were allegories...he didn't approve of allegories at all. But still...I wonder what Gandalf could have done to the White Witch... __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

09-22-2002, 01:51 PM	#10
ArwenEvenstar Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: and why do YOU want to know? Posts: 685	Saruman's the white witch... you figure it out If i had a map of both i'd compare that maybe ME is the Land beyond the thing where Reep-a-cheep (SP????) goes __________________ The only thing active about me is my imagination! Last edited by ArwenEvenstar : 09-22-2002 at 01:52 PM.

09-22-2002, 05:41 PM	#11
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	Reepicheep rocks!!! Ahem.... The land that Reepicheep went to, which I will call the Land at the End of the World for lack of a better title... wasn't that more or less heaven? And while Middle-earth might be heavenly to some of us, it's not exactly paradise. However, you just gave me an idea. If the Land at the End of the World is to the East of Narnia proper, and Valinor is in the West of Arda, then the Land at the End of the World and Valinor could be the same place! Technically, this can't be valid, because the Emperor Over Sea (is that what they called him? well, God, at any rate) is supposed to live in the former location, while Valinor is strictly Valar territory... but it's a nifty idea anyway. __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

10-22-2002, 01:27 PM	#13
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	Narnia is a place made by C.S. Lewis. Middle-earth was made by J.R.R. Tolkien. THey didn't plan this together to connect their maps. It probably was an accident.

10-22-2002, 06:15 PM	#14
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	Well, yeah, but it's fun to speculate anyway. __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

10-25-2002, 01:27 PM	#17
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	As far as I know, the Inklings was just a group of friends who read each other's work and discussed common interests, rather than planning work together, although I suppose they would have given each other advice. __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

01-15-2008, 07:47 PM	#18
Feredir Sapling Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3	Narnia and Arda are two separate planets. I have charted all of Arda. In the middle is Middle-Earth (hee-hee-hee), to the east is Romennor, to the south is Harad, to the southeast is Hyarmenor, to the west is (or at least was) to the west, beyond that is Tol Eressea (Eldamar), and beyond that is Aman (which was forbidden for all mortals to enter after the world was reshaped during the Akkalabeth (Fall of Numenor). Narnia is a completely different planet.

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