Help! Sindarin question!

Rosie Gamgee · 01-18-2006, 05:03 PM

I'm writing a bit of a story, and I need to know the word for Redeemed in Sindarin, for the title. I've looked and looked but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Can anyone help me?

Tamuril Sirfalas · 01-18-2006, 05:21 PM

i could try to help...i actually am going to learn that language

Tamuril Sirfalas · 01-18-2006, 05:29 PM

i know a little quenya too but i'll try...i have a book on elvish so next time im on i'll tell you if i have it..PM me if you have anymore questions

Curubethion · 01-19-2006, 12:27 AM

One source I checked had "lain" as a translation for "freed"...so that could do.

Rosie Gamgee · 01-19-2006, 04:35 PM

Thanks people for replying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curubethion

One source I checked had "lain" as a translation for "freed"...so that could do.

Yeah, it might.. Thanks!

Tamuril: If you know the word in Quenya that could be helpful as well.

Thanks again, guys.

Falagar · 01-20-2006, 10:44 AM

Runando has been used as a word for "redeemer" in Quenya.

Wayfarer · 01-21-2006, 12:40 AM

It would be helpful if you specified exactly what sense you want to use 'redeem' in, as indirect translations are frequently needed with the fragmentary language. If 'free' is what you're looking for then the suggested lain/lein would probably be the best choice, since that's what Tolkien used in 'Leithan, release.'

Going by the literal meaning (purchase again) you would want to use 'Ad' for re/again, but I'm not sure how you would translate 'purchase'. Perhaps 'gar' (hold/have), so 'Garad' maybe.

Given the use of 'runando' in Quenya, I could make a guess that 'redeem' would be something like 'runad,' but that's not terribly polished.

Rosie Gamgee · 01-24-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayfarer

It would be helpful if you specified exactly what sense you want to use 'redeem' in...

Ah, yes. Had not thought of that; sorry. I guess what meaning I'm going for is when someone wishes to correct a grevious wrong on their part. To "redeem" themselves, y'know? I've been wracking my brain trying to think of another word that accurately conveys that kind of meaning...

Sorry if I'm being difficult here.

Wayfarer · 01-25-2006, 01:14 AM

So... 'set right,' 'make amends,' might be close to what you're trying to say? Or is it closer to 'restore,' which would go along with the earlier suggestion of 'save,' 'set free?'

For the first, I might use peniatîr 'set right' (from penia 'fix, set' and tîr 'straight, true'). Another possible would be echadmaer 'make good' (from echad 'fashion, make' and maer 'useful, fit, good'), although that would probably apply to objects rather than people.

For the second, one word to look at would be eden, or 'new, begun again,' which could probably serve as a good substitute for 'restore, put back.' In that line of thought you could try echadeden for 'made new,' although I think that's a bit kludgy. Alternate possibilities for 'make new' would be echadwain or echadsein.

Something like Onnad (Onnenad? Adennin?) would translate as 'born again.'

Any of this helping? Being limited to such a small lexicon makes it really hard to express the idea precisely. And not being a philologist, my haphazard guesses aren't really to be trusted.

**Nurvingiel** · 01-28-2006, 06:38 PM

I completely recommend this site. If you can't find the word there, ask in the forums. The webmaster is an expert on Sindarin and she'd be happy to help you.

Rosie Gamgee · 01-30-2006, 05:04 PM

Thank you so much, guys. I think I've got enough to work with now. Thank you a lot!

Tamuril Sirfalas · 01-31-2006, 03:05 PM

so glad the problem is solved!!! i named a poetry book i'll be working on. cant rememeber the elvish but in english its darkesses twilight

Rosie Gamgee · 01-31-2006, 04:34 PM

Sounds like it was nice poetry, if a book might be judged by the title.

Ever posted any poetry here?

Tamuril Sirfalas · 02-02-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosie Gamgee

Sounds like it was nice poetry, if a book might be judged by the title.

Ever posted any poetry here?

yes i have..its called Angels Lament...you can find it in GM and its in the thread cancer

Tamuril Sirfalas · 02-02-2006, 02:58 PM

i actually should post more of my poems..i have a LOT LOL

damn 90 sec. rule

01-18-2006, 05:03 PM	#1
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	Help! Sindarin question! I'm writing a bit of a story, and I need to know the word for Redeemed in Sindarin, for the title. I've looked and looked but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Can anyone help me? __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

01-18-2006, 05:21 PM	#2
Tamuril Sirfalas Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 340	i could try to help...i actually am going to learn that language __________________ Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer: Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer! Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer: Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer! REST IN PEACE GRANDMA, GREAT AUNT, GREAT UNCLE .....they're gunna fly with the angels now so say goodbye..but i can't. You don't really realize the importance of someone until they are gone

01-18-2006, 05:29 PM	#3
Tamuril Sirfalas Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 340	i know a little quenya too but i'll try...i have a book on elvish so next time im on i'll tell you if i have it..PM me if you have anymore questions __________________ Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer: Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer! Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer: Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer! REST IN PEACE GRANDMA, GREAT AUNT, GREAT UNCLE .....they're gunna fly with the angels now so say goodbye..but i can't. You don't really realize the importance of someone until they are gone

01-19-2006, 12:27 AM	#4
Curubethion Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: College! Posts: 1,976	One source I checked had "lain" as a translation for "freed"...so that could do. __________________ Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan)

01-20-2006, 10:44 AM	#6
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Runando has been used as a word for "redeemer" in Quenya. __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

01-21-2006, 12:40 AM	#7
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	It would be helpful if you specified exactly what sense you want to use 'redeem' in, as indirect translations are frequently needed with the fragmentary language. If 'free' is what you're looking for then the suggested lain/lein would probably be the best choice, since that's what Tolkien used in 'Leithan, release.' Going by the literal meaning (purchase again) you would want to use 'Ad' for re/again, but I'm not sure how you would translate 'purchase'. Perhaps 'gar' (hold/have), so 'Garad' maybe. Given the use of 'runando' in Quenya, I could make a guess that 'redeem' would be something like 'runad,' but that's not terribly polished. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 01-21-2006 at 01:04 AM.

01-25-2006, 01:14 AM	#9
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	So... 'set right,' 'make amends,' might be close to what you're trying to say? Or is it closer to 'restore,' which would go along with the earlier suggestion of 'save,' 'set free?' For the first, I might use peniatîr 'set right' (from penia 'fix, set' and tîr 'straight, true'). Another possible would be echadmaer 'make good' (from echad 'fashion, make' and maer 'useful, fit, good'), although that would probably apply to objects rather than people. For the second, one word to look at would be eden, or 'new, begun again,' which could probably serve as a good substitute for 'restore, put back.' In that line of thought you could try echadeden for 'made new,' although I think that's a bit kludgy. Alternate possibilities for 'make new' would be echadwain or echadsein. Something like Onnad (Onnenad? Adennin?) would translate as 'born again.' Any of this helping? Being limited to such a small lexicon makes it really hard to express the idea precisely. And not being a philologist, my haphazard guesses aren't really to be trusted. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 01-29-2006 at 12:28 AM.

01-30-2006, 05:04 PM	#11
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	Thank you so much, guys. I think I've got enough to work with now. Thank you a lot! __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

01-31-2006, 03:05 PM	#12
Tamuril Sirfalas Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 340	so glad the problem is solved!!! i named a poetry book i'll be working on. cant rememeber the elvish but in english its darkesses twilight __________________ Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer: Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer! Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer: Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer! REST IN PEACE GRANDMA, GREAT AUNT, GREAT UNCLE .....they're gunna fly with the angels now so say goodbye..but i can't. You don't really realize the importance of someone until they are gone

01-31-2006, 04:34 PM	#13
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	Sounds like it was nice poetry, if a book might be judged by the title. Ever posted any poetry here? __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

02-02-2006, 02:58 PM	#15
Tamuril Sirfalas Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 340	i actually should post more of my poems..i have a LOT LOL damn 90 sec. rule __________________ Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer: Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer! Nin o Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer: Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer! REST IN PEACE GRANDMA, GREAT AUNT, GREAT UNCLE .....they're gunna fly with the angels now so say goodbye..but i can't. You don't really realize the importance of someone until they are gone

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