01-18-2002, 05:14 PM | #1 |
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Curunir
Curunir means the man of skill, right, and is Saruman`s elf name. So the name Nan Curunir should have a Saruman in it when it`s translated. So why is it called wizard`s vale?
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01-18-2002, 05:42 PM | #2 |
Elven Warrior
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Perhaps because Saruman was a wizard, an Istari?
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01-19-2002, 02:13 AM | #3 |
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Saruman is not a translation of Curunir. Just as Gandalf had many names so too does Saruman.
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01-19-2002, 12:37 PM | #4 |
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Agreed. Their not translations their just names given by different races to one being.
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"We will have peace","Yes we will have peace...we will have peace when you and all your works have perished - and the works of your dark lord to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar,Saruman,and a corrupter of men's hearts. You hold out your hand to me and I percieve only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just - as it was not,for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine, for your own profit you desired-even so, what will you say of your Torches in westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Hama's body before the gates of Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanc. So much for the House of Eorl. A lesser son of greater Sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewither for I fear your voice has lost it's charm. |
01-20-2002, 03:38 PM | #5 |
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But the names have the same meaning (pretty much). Curu means 'cunning', and nÃ*r means 'man'. Saruman means the same thing. 'CurunÃ*r' doesn't mean 'Wizard'. 'Wizard's Vale' is thus just a loose translation. The Rohirrim may not have known what CurunÃ*r meant anyway, as it's Sindarin, but they knew the master of Isengard was a Wizard.
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01-21-2002, 08:33 AM | #6 |
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wizardry IS a skill
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01-24-2002, 09:24 PM | #7 |
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Wizard's vale is a loose translation of the Westron, which in turn is a translation of Sindarin. Tolkein said his "translation" go for the spirit, not the direct meaning.
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