what if....?

Strange-Looking Lurker · 01-17-2002, 03:13 PM

Frodo is standing by the cracks of doom, and claims the ring for his own. The Nazgul are going to go get him, and the ring. Gollum hits Sam in the head....

...and doesn't knock him out. Sam grabs him by the neck and throws him into the fire. The Nazgul take Frodo and the Ring.

Then what would have happened?

bropous · 01-17-2002, 09:06 PM

Well, if Frodo could not find the will to utilize the ring to order the Nazgul to let him go, they would have taken him right to Sauron, Sauron would have annihilated the army camped out at his front doorstep, then rolled out and swept up the rest of Middle-Earth. He would have set up his "foul theocracy" and all survivors would have to worship him.

He would have laid seige to Imladris and Lorien, and both places would have held out but would have been eventually destroyed. One real priority for him would have been to destroy Cirdan and the Grey Havens to trap as many Elves in Middle-Earth as possible. The Istari may have survived [assuming Gandalf would have been able to get away from the slaughter at the Morannon], the four remaining "true to the cause" may have shifted focus to foment rebellion in the East and South.

Saruman would have been dealt with quite severely, in due time, and Sauron would have built monuments to his greatness throughout all of Middle-Earth. At least that's my EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO supposition.

afro-elf · 01-17-2002, 09:18 PM

Thats seem quite feasible.

Play Girl · 01-18-2002, 02:46 PM

I always thought that having Gollum jump onto Frodo and for them both to topple into the craks of doom would have made an intresting end to the ring. Would Sam be able to copy with the fact that though the quest had succeded that his beloved master was gone forever? Interesting parrallels between Frodo and Borimer could be drawn.
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Play Girl
xxx

Arathorn · 01-18-2002, 03:28 PM

Frodo later arrives at Minas Tirith and is welcomed by everyone. He reports the demise of the creature known as Gollum and the selfless act of Samwise. Frodo makes known that a great weight has been lifted from him but still all the events have left him weak, stretched out...he remains pale and is told that he has earned a place in the havens...

Arwen and Aragorn are wed. The ringbearers unite, one by one, moving to Lorien, to Rivendell, to the ports of Cirdan in the west..

Suddenly, Frodo's eyes turn... Bilbo is the first to notice...

An unearthly scream is heard and to the party by the sea's utter disbelief Frodo uncovers a dark ball from beneath his cloak, the skies turn dark and 9 dark figures cover the sky!

Ere the Morgul King be undone by fair maiden warrior in more glorious days, but alas! 'tis not the first of the nine but he who is served by the nine who now leads them!

Sauron shall have not so hastily declare victory to the rest of Middle Earth this time. The last of Cirdan's craft fade away in flames; never of their like to be seen again.

Indeed, never anything untouched by the Dark Lord shall go forth from Middle Earth again...

Meanwhile, in the undying lands....

Manwe: Damned the #$!$% Melkor, that's not in the script!

Melkor: Ha ha! Royal Flush, better luck next time

Manwe: Dad, he's cheating again!

bropous · 01-18-2002, 08:07 PM

Hmmm, intertesting turn of story there, aragorn, and although there were some parts which weren't exactly clear, good overall. Liked the line, "Dad, he's cheating again!"

Arathorn · 01-20-2002, 01:38 PM

thanks bropous,

I'll do a revision one of these days. On the other hand, here's a simpler version, with apologies to Mr bilbo Baggins and some anonymous elf:

...and he lived happily ever after
'til the end of his days
in the land of Mordor where shadows lie...

PS: my nick is Arathorn, unless you were really talking to aragorn.

bropous · 01-20-2002, 01:56 PM

whoops, Arathorn, sorry for the confusion....

Aragorn · 01-20-2002, 03:12 PM

Why thank you, bropous!

Strange-Looking Lurker · 01-22-2002, 08:52 AM

Hmm...maybe Gandalf would have met the Nazgul in the air returing with the ring and tried to get it from them!

Strange-Looking Lurker · 01-22-2002, 08:54 AM

Hey, I'm an Elven Warrior! Cool! When did that happen?

Arathorn · 01-22-2002, 12:04 PM

hmm..looks like you just went past 100 posts Strange-Looking Lurker.

I hope to get there one of these days.

01-17-2002, 03:13 PM	#1
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	what if....? Frodo is standing by the cracks of doom, and claims the ring for his own. The Nazgul are going to go get him, and the ring. Gollum hits Sam in the head.... ...and doesn't knock him out. Sam grabs him by the neck and throws him into the fire. The Nazgul take Frodo and the Ring. Then what would have happened? __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

01-17-2002, 09:06 PM	#2
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Well, if Frodo could not find the will to utilize the ring to order the Nazgul to let him go, they would have taken him right to Sauron, Sauron would have annihilated the army camped out at his front doorstep, then rolled out and swept up the rest of Middle-Earth. He would have set up his "foul theocracy" and all survivors would have to worship him. He would have laid seige to Imladris and Lorien, and both places would have held out but would have been eventually destroyed. One real priority for him would have been to destroy Cirdan and the Grey Havens to trap as many Elves in Middle-Earth as possible. The Istari may have survived [assuming Gandalf would have been able to get away from the slaughter at the Morannon], the four remaining "true to the cause" may have shifted focus to foment rebellion in the East and South. Saruman would have been dealt with quite severely, in due time, and Sauron would have built monuments to his greatness throughout all of Middle-Earth. At least that's my EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO supposition. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160. Last edited by bropous : 01-17-2002 at 09:07 PM.

01-17-2002, 09:18 PM	#3
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Thats seem quite feasible. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-18-2002, 02:46 PM	#4
Play Girl Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: If I told you I would have to kill you Posts: 159	I always thought that having Gollum jump onto Frodo and for them both to topple into the craks of doom would have made an intresting end to the ring. Would Sam be able to copy with the fact that though the quest had succeded that his beloved master was gone forever? Interesting parrallels between Frodo and Borimer could be drawn. luv Play Girl xxx __________________ "Off the Record On the Q-T And very HUSH HUSH" Frodo lives!

01-18-2002, 03:28 PM	#5
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Frodo later arrives at Minas Tirith and is welcomed by everyone. He reports the demise of the creature known as Gollum and the selfless act of Samwise. Frodo makes known that a great weight has been lifted from him but still all the events have left him weak, stretched out...he remains pale and is told that he has earned a place in the havens... Arwen and Aragorn are wed. The ringbearers unite, one by one, moving to Lorien, to Rivendell, to the ports of Cirdan in the west.. Suddenly, Frodo's eyes turn... Bilbo is the first to notice... An unearthly scream is heard and to the party by the sea's utter disbelief Frodo uncovers a dark ball from beneath his cloak, the skies turn dark and 9 dark figures cover the sky! Ere the Morgul King be undone by fair maiden warrior in more glorious days, but alas! 'tis not the first of the nine but he who is served by the nine who now leads them! Sauron shall have not so hastily declare victory to the rest of Middle Earth this time. The last of Cirdan's craft fade away in flames; never of their like to be seen again. Indeed, never anything untouched by the Dark Lord shall go forth from Middle Earth again... Meanwhile, in the undying lands.... Manwe: Damned the #$!$% Melkor, that's not in the script! Melkor: Ha ha! Royal Flush, better luck next time Manwe: Dad, he's cheating again! __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 01-18-2002 at 03:33 PM.

01-18-2002, 08:07 PM	#6
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Hmmm, intertesting turn of story there, aragorn, and although there were some parts which weren't exactly clear, good overall. Liked the line, "Dad, he's cheating again!" __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-20-2002, 01:38 PM	#7
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	thanks bropous, I'll do a revision one of these days. On the other hand, here's a simpler version, with apologies to Mr bilbo Baggins and some anonymous elf: ...and he lived happily ever after 'til the end of his days in the land of Mordor where shadows lie... PS: my nick is Arathorn, unless you were really talking to aragorn. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 01-22-2002 at 12:03 PM.

01-20-2002, 01:56 PM	#8
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	whoops, Arathorn, sorry for the confusion.... __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-20-2002, 03:12 PM	#9
Aragorn Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere but where I should be. Posts: 369	Why thank you, bropous! __________________ And they carried them to the flatlands But they died along the way And they built up with their bare hands What we still can't do today. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO till the day I die.

01-22-2002, 08:52 AM	#10
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	Hmm...maybe Gandalf would have met the Nazgul in the air returing with the ring and tried to get it from them! __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

01-22-2002, 08:54 AM	#11
Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	Hey, I'm an Elven Warrior! Cool! When did that happen? __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

01-22-2002, 12:04 PM	#12
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	hmm..looks like you just went past 100 posts Strange-Looking Lurker. I hope to get there one of these days. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...