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founder of the color blue
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Death in Middle Earth
So I was sitting on the couch, and I wondered to myself, "so what exactly does happen to men when they die?" Then I thought, "referring, of course, to JRR Tolkien's mythology". He never states it (probably because he didnt know where they really went anyway, or he didnt have it fleshed out enough to write it down), all he really says about it (that I have read) is that "the elves know not where they go", or something like that. I think it states in Morgoths Ring somewhere, that they are supposed to go somewhere and set up an Arda-Unmarred or something, but I am not sure. Any thoughts?
Oh, and I am shivering like a hot dog.
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I think it would be the same kind of thing that Christians believe happen when you die. That they will go to 'heaven' and be with Eru.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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They go at first to the Halls of Mandos, but only briefly, and then beyond...
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But will there be a jugement and retribution?
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Lady of the Ulairi
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Actually I don't know. Perhaps in Mandos? But has Mandos the right to withhold the Gift from evil men?
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"Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
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Lady of the Ulairi
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I meant not the death itself, but the right to go beyond. Perhaps the evil ones were obliged to stay in the Halls of Mandos not briefly but much longer and suffer somehow.
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"Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
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Elentári
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As far as I understood Tolkien, humans also go to the halls of Mandos for waiting. Only, unlike the Elves, at the end of time/the world (?) they will 'go beyond' and live an iternal life with Eru. The question I'm asking is what happens to the Elves? And does the good and bad Elves stay for ever in the halls of Mandos? Or are the good ones granted a better fate?
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