Something in the Sea of Rhun

johnnyrod · 02-23-2002, 08:20 PM

Call me a detail freak if you will....... Since the movie of The Fellowship Of the Ring came out I thought it'd be a good time to dig out the book for another read. I'm still wondering, if anybody would know: what does the stippled area in the Sea of Rhun on the map of Middle Earth represent? I've roved around the internet tonight and not turned up anything yet; thus far I've presumed it's a sandbank or shallow area.

Twilight · 02-24-2002, 12:37 AM

Are you sure the lines weren't jsut put there as contrast between the land and the sea?

***anduin*** · 02-24-2002, 03:26 AM

Sand bar?

johnnyrod · 02-24-2002, 07:34 AM

see attached pic; should have done this earlier I guess. I scanned this from the map at the back of the books. It could be some sort of sandbar, but it's pretty big.

markedel · 02-24-2002, 10:57 AM

Oh likely a forested Isle.

Findegil · 02-24-2002, 01:17 PM

It is definitivley an island. As such it is marked on the original map drwan by JRR Tolkien him self. In the reproduction in The History of Middle-Earth volume 7 The Treason of Isengard it is seen without such dots on it.

Regards
Findegil

Wayfarer · 02-24-2002, 04:51 PM

An island, yeah.

It could appear to be any number of other things though...

FrodoFriend · 02-24-2002, 10:42 PM

An underwater Entmoot? A whale breeding ground? It doesn't look like an island on my map, I think a sandbar is more likely.

Arathorn · 02-25-2002, 12:43 AM

How 'bout Chris Tolkien's attempt at an erasure with a pen?l/k

Laurelyn · 02-25-2002, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arathorn
How 'bout Chris Tolkien's attempt at an erasure with a pen?l/k

LOL, Arathorn! But I think most likely that's not it . . . although I have no good ideas as to what it is.

johnnyrod · 02-25-2002, 09:24 AM

Thanks guys. Findegal, any chance you could scan your bit of the map? I had to crop it a lot and use greyscale/about 40dpi tp get it below 10kb.

Ta

PS. I presumed it wasn't an island because it doesn't look like, for example, Himring.

Maerbenn · 05-11-2005, 07:14 PM

For anyone interested, here is a scan of the relevant part of the map Findegil is referring to, as an attachment.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-12-2005, 03:50 AM

maybe it is an elvish land, the fabled dorwinion perhaps?

Snowdog · 05-18-2005, 01:56 PM

I always assumed it was a shallow part filled with reeds, cattails, lily pads, and such.

Or it could be where some tea was spilled....

Lotesse · 05-21-2005, 04:09 PM

I bet Snowdog is right, it does seem like a reedy, lily-paddy (lily-paddy? oh, well) sort of area in the water.

Lenya · 06-17-2005, 04:05 PM

Cool. I never even noticed it. Guess I should study the map more closely

Well as much as I like all your musings, I'll go with Findegil on it being an island.

02-23-2002, 08:20 PM	#1
johnnyrod Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scunthorpe, UK Posts: 166	Something in the Sea of Rhun Call me a detail freak if you will....... Since the movie of The Fellowship Of the Ring came out I thought it'd be a good time to dig out the book for another read. I'm still wondering, if anybody would know: what does the stippled area in the Sea of Rhun on the map of Middle Earth represent? I've roved around the internet tonight and not turned up anything yet; thus far I've presumed it's a sandbank or shallow area.

02-24-2002, 12:37 AM	#2
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	Are you sure the lines weren't jsut put there as contrast between the land and the sea? __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

02-24-2002, 10:57 AM	#5
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Oh likely a forested Isle. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

02-24-2002, 04:51 PM	#7
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	An island, yeah. It could appear to be any number of other things though... __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

02-24-2002, 10:42 PM	#8
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	An underwater Entmoot? A whale breeding ground? It doesn't look like an island on my map, I think a sandbar is more likely. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-24-2002, 03:26 AM	#3
*anduin* Entwife Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: louisville Posts: 3,718	Sand bar?

02-24-2002, 01:17 PM	#6
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	It is definitivley an island. As such it is marked on the original map drwan by JRR Tolkien him self. In the reproduction in The History of Middle-Earth volume 7 The Treason of Isengard it is seen without such dots on it. Regards Findegil

02-25-2002, 12:43 AM	#9
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	How 'bout Chris Tolkien's attempt at an erasure with a pen?l/k __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

02-25-2002, 09:24 AM	#11
johnnyrod Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scunthorpe, UK Posts: 166	Thanks guys. Findegal, any chance you could scan your bit of the map? I had to crop it a lot and use greyscale/about 40dpi tp get it below 10kb. Ta PS. I presumed it wasn't an island because it doesn't look like, for example, Himring.

05-12-2005, 03:50 AM	#13
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	maybe it is an elvish land, the fabled dorwinion perhaps?

05-18-2005, 01:56 PM	#14
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	I always assumed it was a shallow part filled with reeds, cattails, lily pads, and such. Or it could be where some tea was spilled.... __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

05-21-2005, 04:09 PM	#15
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	I bet Snowdog is right, it does seem like a reedy, lily-paddy (lily-paddy? oh, well) sort of area in the water. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

06-17-2005, 04:05 PM	#16
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Cool. I never even noticed it. Guess I should study the map more closely Well as much as I like all your musings, I'll go with Findegil on it being an island.

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