Attraction - Looks, Manners Or Only Pheromones? - Page 3

brownjenkins · 12-14-2004, 04:58 PM

short-term: looks and personality... usually looks first, since it tends to be why you would start talking to them in the first place... though not always the case... attractions can grow over time

long-term: it's about you, not the other person at all

inked · 12-14-2004, 06:03 PM

Evolutionarily, it is the fact that clear skin, adequate breasts, and wide hips enable a most likely successful reproducer in the female, while strong musculature and ability to evade restrictions on the part of the male suggest adaptability and significant benefits to offspring. If the elan vital were to have its way (as suggested in the early 20th century), shouldn't we all look like the persons on the covers of VOGUE and MUSCLE&FITNESS ?

Of course, the elan vital now has to contend with not mere reproduction and survivability, but also plastic surgery, rising infertility, stock portfolios, designer fragrances, ...

!

Count Comfect · 12-14-2004, 06:13 PM

Well, what inked just said clearly does explain evolutionary reasons for attraction based on looks

Although a lot of "looks" is also culturally created too... and pheromones are designed for those evolutionary purposes too, to make people get together.

Manners/personality, on the other hand, are not as much evolution-driven as immediate needs. The species may be fine if you're with someone who you don't like, but you personally will definitely not be.

So I'd say all three in varying proportion by person.

inked · 12-14-2004, 06:19 PM

Count,

I was referring to the underlying persons expressed genetics regardless of cultural affectations. I mean, French girls may not shave and still meet the criteria, right? And native Indian cultures on remote Pacific Isle certainly won't look like the cover of COSMOPOLITAN. So In the most absolutist terms, its not how well guys and gals clean up, is it? It's what under the cultural accretions that really counts!

Note, this is purely theory based. I personally like appropriate cultural trappings myself. I think both sexes agree that unwrapping is a lot of fun!

Count Comfect · 12-14-2004, 07:06 PM

OK, point taken. And a good point it is

I was referring to

Quote:

Evolutionarily, it is the fact that clear skin, adequate breasts, and wide hips enable a most likely successful reproducer in the female, while strong musculature and ability to evade restrictions on the part of the male

Andúril · 12-15-2004, 02:46 AM

70% looks, 20% body language, 10% smell.

brownjenkins · 12-15-2004, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andúril

10% smell.

or lack of?

Starr Polish · 12-15-2004, 10:33 AM

Smell being pherenomes, I'm sure. I don't really like the smell of cologne on guys. It's much better if all I can smell is soap and "him." Cologne makes me gag. I don't wear perfume, either...only when for some reason I think I smell bad, and even then not very much.

EarthBound · 12-15-2004, 11:40 AM

I find that the smell of someone you love plays a larger part when they are no longer near you (trip, past away, gone for the moment even). It's their certain smell on a sweater, shirt, jacket, or in a room....that reminds me of them and (when a good vibe is involved) it can make me miss them, think on them, even touch the ol'heart strings.

Soooo, I think looks always play the biggest role at first, then personality keeps you together (if you have one, lol), and (smell) reminds us of them...

inked · 12-15-2004, 12:26 PM

Yes,Earthbound, but also anticipatory! Remember Napolean's famous advice to Josephine? "Will be home in three weeks. Do not bathe!"

This of course confirms a long-standing French opposition to cleanliness in the general and specific case!

... and they did invent parfum did they not?

Tho' one could argue in the absence of evidence but what does that matter? that ol' Nape and Joei had exchanged "delicates" as mementos for an arduous (sic

) campaign!

EarthBound · 12-15-2004, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

that ol' Nape and Joei had exchanged "delicates" as mementos for an arduous (sic

) campaign!

Like an affectionate pair of suspenders or an exchange of rain ponchos?

BeardofPants · 12-15-2004, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

... and they did invent parfum did they not?

Nah, that was already in existence - those stinky egyptians were using perfumes, and scented oils well before the hairy french armpit came along.

Beor · 12-15-2004, 05:26 PM

Youre no pants theif! HA!

inked · 12-15-2004, 05:33 PM

Earthbound,

*coughs delicately* I might have used "unmentionables". Would that have made it clearer?

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12-14-2004, 06:03 PM	#42
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Evolutionarily, it is the fact that clear skin, adequate breasts, and wide hips enable a most likely successful reproducer in the female, while strong musculature and ability to evade restrictions on the part of the male suggest adaptability and significant benefits to offspring. If the elan vital were to have its way (as suggested in the early 20th century), shouldn't we all look like the persons on the covers of VOGUE and MUSCLE&FITNESS ? Of course, the elan vital now has to contend with not mere reproduction and survivability, but also plastic surgery, rising infertility, stock portfolios, designer fragrances, ... ! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

12-14-2004, 06:19 PM	#44
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Count, I was referring to the underlying persons expressed genetics regardless of cultural affectations. I mean, French girls may not shave and still meet the criteria, right? And native Indian cultures on remote Pacific Isle certainly won't look like the cover of COSMOPOLITAN. So In the most absolutist terms, its not how well guys and gals clean up, is it? It's what under the cultural accretions that really counts! Note, this is purely theory based. I personally like appropriate cultural trappings myself. I think both sexes agree that unwrapping is a lot of fun! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

12-15-2004, 10:33 AM	#48
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Smell being pherenomes, I'm sure. I don't really like the smell of cologne on guys. It's much better if all I can smell is soap and "him." Cologne makes me gag. I don't wear perfume, either...only when for some reason I think I smell bad, and even then not very much. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

12-15-2004, 11:40 AM	#49
EarthBound Lady Tipple & Queen of Blessed Thistle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: I've been told it's all in my head Posts: 916	I find that the smell of someone you love plays a larger part when they are no longer near you (trip, past away, gone for the moment even). It's their certain smell on a sweater, shirt, jacket, or in a room....that reminds me of them and (when a good vibe is involved) it can make me miss them, think on them, even touch the ol'heart strings. Soooo, I think looks always play the biggest role at first, then personality keeps you together (if you have one, lol), and (smell) reminds us of them... __________________ Beer + Pizza = N'uff said Happy to be here The HACBR has been alerted to my postings…..Hobbits Against Constant Beer References Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Ben Franklin I want my Mooter T-Shirt!

12-14-2004, 06:13 PM	#43
Count Comfect Word Santa Claus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,922	Well, what inked just said clearly does explain evolutionary reasons for attraction based on looks Although a lot of "looks" is also culturally created too... and pheromones are designed for those evolutionary purposes too, to make people get together. Manners/personality, on the other hand, are not as much evolution-driven as immediate needs. The species may be fine if you're with someone who you don't like, but you personally will definitely not be. So I'd say all three in varying proportion by person.

12-15-2004, 02:46 AM	#46
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	70% looks, 20% body language, 10% smell.

12-15-2004, 12:26 PM	#50
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Yes,Earthbound, but also anticipatory! Remember Napolean's famous advice to Josephine? "Will be home in three weeks. Do not bathe!" This of course confirms a long-standing French opposition to cleanliness in the general and specific case! ... and they did invent parfum did they not? Tho' one could argue in the absence of evidence but what does that matter? that ol' Nape and Joei had exchanged "delicates" as mementos for an arduous (sic ) campaign! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941 Last edited by inked : 12-15-2004 at 12:28 PM.

12-15-2004, 05:26 PM	#53
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	Youre no pants theif! HA! __________________ Well, there it is.

12-15-2004, 05:33 PM	#54
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Earthbound, coughs delicately I might have used "unmentionables". Would that have made it clearer? __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

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