Psychiatry-->Dehumanization - Page 2

inked · 11-15-2004, 10:41 AM

For a fictional approach to the misuse of psychology, check out THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH by CS Lewis and CATCH-22 (either book or movie will work). Don't want to be like that....

Good providence and study. Hope you like statistics!!!

Last Child of Ungoliant · 11-15-2004, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Valandil

I'm an outsider to the social science fields, but in so many ways, I imagine that they're still in their 'infancy'. It seems much easier to quantify material things in the world around us (what I call the 'hard sciences' of chemistry, physics, biology, astronomy, etc) than those that happen inside of us (which I call the 'soft sciences' of pschology, sociology, etc).

i am doing sociology - it is not a soft science - ow you looked at me!!

joking aside, psychology/psychiatry, in dealing more with people and their minds, is (i believe) harder than sociology, which i find to be incredibly easy, i only need D's to go on to A2, and I think this will be an easy one.
Sociology is often termed the dark side, usually by psychology students/lecturers, anyone know why

Bombadillo · 11-15-2004, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Gaffer

Congrats on your decision; best of luck with it.

And also congrats on wanting to use it to help people, and not just to brainwash us into running out and buying the latest mobile phone in return for megabucks.

Thanks, and I know what you mean. I don't like them either, and I'll voice our concerns to any consumer psychology-aimed classmate of mine in the future.

Cool Starr! I was wondering the same thing, although I proably have no reason to care just yet. I'm considering that in my search for a college, if I can get a doctorate degree there. I'm not sure if that even matters though, and it's a very limiting factor so far. I could actually leave "occupation: student" behind for a while after my masters, or continue with education at a different school. I guess I'll figure that out in time, but how many people do go for their PhD right away?

LCoU: The dark side? As in evil, unseen, or just different?

EDIT: My dad read CS Lewis' Space Trilogy to me when I was little. I recently finished the first installment. (by myself

) I'll be getting there shortly.

cee2lee2 · 11-15-2004, 10:33 PM

Just wanted to add my best wishes as you continue your studies in psychology.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 11-16-2004, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bombadillo

LCoU: The dark side? As in evil, unseen, or just different?

i think it is more that sociology focuses more on why people think that certain ways of thinking or wrong/evil, or something like that!

Elvengirl · 11-16-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bombadillo

The problem that I saw in psychiatry=dehumanisation is just that most people see psychiatrists first, before psychologists can tell them it's not necassary. That's the cause of the recent teen suicide jump in America from anti-depressants.

This is very true

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Follow? Either way, I feel both relieved and proud and I'm not quite sure why.

Yes I follow

and while I honestly just don't agree with psychiatrists and their practices, I wanted to say that I do think it is good that you are choosing this path because you want to help people. This is a very, very good trait. The fact that you say you can see the negative effecs of psychiatry and are wanting to choose this field to change that, I think is admirable.

Do what you honestly feel will help the majority of mankind.

Starr Polish · 11-16-2004, 11:47 PM

Elvengirl, why are you against psychology and psychiatry?

Hemel · 11-17-2004, 10:54 AM

Heh! Well, I am a sociologist ... by training, anyway, and anyone who says it's a 'soft' science will get their ...

.... um ... yeah

So ... it's not a soft science. Than kind of thing is said, I reckon, by people who get a bit challenged by the kind of things sociology does say. Or who maybe don't understand much about it

And hang on, LCoU ... you go doing sociology at post 'A' level, you'll start seeing that it's a REAL subject, and no mistaking

. Though, having said that, I specialised ultimately in cultural studies, which really does get mind-bending!

And as to why sociology is the dark side? That's because of the power of sociology, especially when it really gets going. Because it makes a critique of all the things that we accept and reveals what is or what could be going on behind. So that's what I assume they're meaning, when they say 'dark side'. That, btw, is why a lot of people don't like it too - and why people like Thatcher tried to get it stopped. So, for a dark side for things like psychology and psychiatry ... sociology would suggest that yeah, okay, they have the idea of helping people, but then it'd go on to enquire why that idea exists, what kind of help is given, what is the hidden agenda of the help (ie status for the psychos and psychis, job creation, the social control of the deviant, and so on). It'd also look into the definitions that the psycho studies give, and ask whether they are 'real' defintions ... ie how objective, what reflections are there in them of the contextual society, ie the construction of the deviancy in the first place, and then how affected in their diagnoses and treatments are the practitioners by the context ...

It brings up some pretty interesting things, to say the least. And so my stance, from the point of view of a sociologist, is that yeah, these things can help people. And they really do. But they come with another hidden side, and it's as well to be aware of that too.

It's one of the ironies of life ... when sociology started it tried to model itself on the natural sciences, seeing them as the epitome of good methodology. Now ... heh! The natural sciences are challenged by sociology, and have had to incorporate many of its insights into their philosophy and functioning

Elvengirl · 11-20-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Starr Polish

Elvengirl, why are you against psychology and psychiatry?

I'm not ignoring you Starr Polish, but I'm out of town now and don't have time to give an explanation to your question. So as soon as I have time, I would be happy to tell you why.

Bombadillo · 11-20-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemel

And as to why sociology is the dark side? That's because of the power of sociology, especially when it really gets going. Because it makes a critique of all the things that we accept and reveals what is or what could be going on behind. So that's what I assume they're meaning, when they say 'dark side'. That, btw, is why a lot of people don't like it too - and why people like Thatcher tried to get it stopped. So, for a dark side for things like psychology and psychiatry ... sociology would suggest that yeah, okay, they have the idea of helping people, but then it'd go on to enquire why that idea exists, what kind of help is given, what is the hidden agenda of the help (ie status for the psychos and psychis, job creation, the social control of the deviant, and so on). It'd also look into the definitions that the psycho studies give, and ask whether they are 'real' defintions ... ie how objective, what reflections are there in them of the contextual society, ie the construction of the deviancy in the first place, and then how affected in their diagnoses and treatments are the practitioners by the context ...

It brings up some pretty interesting things, to say the least. And so my stance, from the point of view of a sociologist, is that yeah, these things can help people. And they really do. But they come with another hidden side, and it's as well to be aware of that too.

It's one of the ironies of life ... when sociology started it tried to model itself on the natural sciences, seeing them as the epitome of good methodology. Now ... heh! The natural sciences are challenged by sociology, and have had to incorporate many of its insights into their philosophy and functioning

Shucks. It would have been more satisfying for me if I got to accuse you of being evil.

BTW, I meant I'm going to be a psychologist. I didn't realize I hadn't made that clear. It's the same major for psychiatrists too.

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11-16-2004, 11:47 PM	#27
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	Elvengirl, why are you against psychology and psychiatry? __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

11-17-2004, 10:54 AM	#28
Hemel Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on the boats Posts: 264	Heh! Well, I am a sociologist ... by training, anyway, and anyone who says it's a 'soft' science will get their ... .... um ... yeah So ... it's not a soft science. Than kind of thing is said, I reckon, by people who get a bit challenged by the kind of things sociology does say. Or who maybe don't understand much about it And hang on, LCoU ... you go doing sociology at post 'A' level, you'll start seeing that it's a REAL subject, and no mistaking . Though, having said that, I specialised ultimately in cultural studies, which really does get mind-bending! And as to why sociology is the dark side? That's because of the power of sociology, especially when it really gets going. Because it makes a critique of all the things that we accept and reveals what is or what could be going on behind. So that's what I assume they're meaning, when they say 'dark side'. That, btw, is why a lot of people don't like it too - and why people like Thatcher tried to get it stopped. So, for a dark side for things like psychology and psychiatry ... sociology would suggest that yeah, okay, they have the idea of helping people, but then it'd go on to enquire why that idea exists, what kind of help is given, what is the hidden agenda of the help (ie status for the psychos and psychis, job creation, the social control of the deviant, and so on). It'd also look into the definitions that the psycho studies give, and ask whether they are 'real' defintions ... ie how objective, what reflections are there in them of the contextual society, ie the construction of the deviancy in the first place, and then how affected in their diagnoses and treatments are the practitioners by the context ... It brings up some pretty interesting things, to say the least. And so my stance, from the point of view of a sociologist, is that yeah, these things can help people. And they really do. But they come with another hidden side, and it's as well to be aware of that too. It's one of the ironies of life ... when sociology started it tried to model itself on the natural sciences, seeing them as the epitome of good methodology. Now ... heh! The natural sciences are challenged by sociology, and have had to incorporate many of its insights into their philosophy and functioning Last edited by Hemel : 11-17-2004 at 10:55 AM.

11-15-2004, 10:33 PM	#24
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	Just wanted to add my best wishes as you continue your studies in psychology.