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10-05-2004, 07:02 PM | #61 |
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That is how I understand it, too. I call it rewriting Tolkien and revisionism to boot. Sauron was evil, and would have ended as nihilistic as Morgoth his master in time. Remember the Barrow-Wight's song about the Dark Lord lifting his dark hand over dead seas and withered land. The only reason Sauron was leaving Harad and Rhun peopled was to provide fodder for his armies.
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10-06-2004, 12:23 AM | #62 | ||
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Oh no, then I'd have had to include myself in that characterization, and we all know I have too big an ego to deride myself. But I meant it in reference to Denethor and have edited that post accordingly. Quote:
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10-13-2004, 08:11 AM | #63 |
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Hmmmmmmm...
Interesting theory. You have a point, Olmer, and that could be kind of a facet of the book. However... Sauron was about to attack the men and elves etc. The elves would have a really hard time getting out then, so I guess you're saying it was in their interest... Well it was in everyone in middle earth's interest, then so were they ALL in a conspiracy... hmm.... sounds like the plot for a book... oh wait, there's already one...thats why I'm here, oh nevermind. The other thing is the whole opening of the Silmarillion (I don't think anyone takes that seriosly enough). The third and last musical theme ended up kinda sad, but it wasn't like there was anything "unresolved" in it, like a treachery by the elves... But still, a good point Olmer.
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10-31-2004, 10:33 PM | #64 | |||
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Is not it that their hatred of the West was because they were even more opressed by Gondor, and Sauron gave them a protection from ever growing appetite of Gondor's Empire? Quote:
If Tolkien , while re-reading his book, could quite unexpectedly for himself be amused by finding a new interpretations of the written events (Letter 163), then it quite possible that in his text we can find much more interpretation which could be missed by the author . I set out on this challenge with notion to amuse myself just in the same way as Tolkien was doing some time ago. As a result, it made me really got hooked on Tolkien. Last edited by Olmer : 11-01-2004 at 02:36 AM. |
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And the Numenoreans, and it seems to me many of the Gondorans afterwards, were not the best and most benign of rulers. |
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11-01-2004, 02:35 AM | #66 | |
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What's in letter 163 Olmer?
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11-01-2004, 01:53 PM | #68 |
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They also invaded Osgiliath before the Battle of the Pellenor Fields.
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11-02-2004, 10:50 AM | #69 | |
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11-18-2004, 03:09 PM | #71 | ||
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Aha. Thanks Michael and Wayfarer.
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