Surprising reverence!

Kirinki54 · 11-05-2001, 05:00 PM

"Then the Dwarves raised up the body of Azaghal and bore it away; and with slow steps they walked behind singing a dirge in deep voices, as it were a funeral pomp in their country, and gave no heed more to their foes; and none dared to stay them." (From 'Of the Fifth Battle' in the Sil)

Is this not a rather fantastic passage?

afro-elf · 11-05-2001, 05:20 PM

i have not read the sim. BUT that IS one awesome passage.

that is the writing style that I like. I think that i'll have sent here.

also they are reissuing the complete guide to ME in early DEC.

Ñólendil · 11-05-2001, 07:45 PM

It is, and it conveys a very powerful picture.

Wayfarer · 11-05-2001, 07:57 PM

Appearently, dwarves are the original tough guys.

I find it interesting that azaghel takes on Glaurung, and wins (after ebing mortally wounded). Then, when the other dwarves pick up his body and march off the field, everybody is terrified of them.

I wonder on the 'surprising reverence' that they show him. These were firebeards of nogrod, were they not?
Could azaghel have been one of the seven fathers? It would fit in with what we know about them.

Ñólendil · 11-05-2001, 08:50 PM

You mean Azaghal. I think Anglachel was one of the black swords Eol forged.

The tough thing about those Firebeards and Broadbeams is that we don't know which belonged to which: Nogrod or Belegost. The Dwarves here under Azaghal with their strong resistance to fire would fit 'Firebeards' quite well. But I've always thought those of Nogrod (who ravaged Doriath) were more 'fiery' of mood. Maybe they were much mingled together.

easterlinge · 11-06-2001, 04:31 AM

I always thought "Firebeard" referred to the colour of their beards? ie. they were red-bearded Dwarves.

Kirinki54 · 11-06-2001, 09:21 AM

Well, guys, I had sorta double meaning with my post.
By 'fantastic passage' I was also refering to the situation itself.
How on the reddest of Fire-beards could the Dwarves keep their enemies from attacking while they were parading away?!?

afro-elf · 11-06-2001, 01:20 PM

maybe it has to do with what wayfarer posted

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when the other dwarves pick up his body and march off the field, everybody is terrified of them.

thanks for my new signature

Kirinki54 · 11-06-2001, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf
maybe it has to do with what wayfarer posted

thanks for my new signature

Man those Dwarves musta been mad!!

BTW your welcome, Afro-elf!

Ñólendil · 11-06-2001, 06:16 PM

' I always thought "Firebeard" referred to the colour of their beards? ie. they were red-bearded Dwarves. '

Could be. That's what most people think. I'm not sure if the Dwarf-names were that literal though. Why, I ask you, are the Longbeards called the Longbeards? Are their beards actually longer than other varieties? The Longbeards themselves are made up of all the other tribes, since Durin had no people in the beginning. I think they were called Longbeards because their beards usually grew longer -- because they lived longer (this is said in Vol. XII). Anyway look at 'Stonefoots'. Surely their feet were not actually made of stone?

Then again interpreting 'firebeard' as the colour of someone's hair really isn't very literal. To take it literally would be to assume that their beards were on fire. 'Red beards' and 'tough feet' are pretty good explanations for 'Firebeards' and 'Stonefoots', though I like 'haughty' and 'especial stone-lovers' better.

11-05-2001, 05:00 PM	#1
Kirinki54 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: European Union Posts: 463	Surprising reverence! "Then the Dwarves raised up the body of Azaghal and bore it away; and with slow steps they walked behind singing a dirge in deep voices, as it were a funeral pomp in their country, and gave no heed more to their foes; and none dared to stay them." (From 'Of the Fifth Battle' in the Sil) Is this not a rather fantastic passage?

11-05-2001, 05:20 PM	#2
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	i have not read the sim. BUT that IS one awesome passage. that is the writing style that I like. I think that i'll have sent here. also they are reissuing the complete guide to ME in early DEC. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

11-05-2001, 07:45 PM	#3
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	It is, and it conveys a very powerful picture. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-05-2001, 07:57 PM	#4
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Appearently, dwarves are the original tough guys. I find it interesting that azaghel takes on Glaurung, and wins (after ebing mortally wounded). Then, when the other dwarves pick up his body and march off the field, everybody is terrified of them. I wonder on the 'surprising reverence' that they show him. These were firebeards of nogrod, were they not? Could azaghel have been one of the seven fathers? It would fit in with what we know about them. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 11-06-2001 at 03:15 PM.

11-05-2001, 08:50 PM	#5
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	You mean Azaghal. I think Anglachel was one of the black swords Eol forged. The tough thing about those Firebeards and Broadbeams is that we don't know which belonged to which: Nogrod or Belegost. The Dwarves here under Azaghal with their strong resistance to fire would fit 'Firebeards' quite well. But I've always thought those of Nogrod (who ravaged Doriath) were more 'fiery' of mood. Maybe they were much mingled together. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-06-2001, 04:31 AM	#6
easterlinge Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Farthest Khand, the darkest East... Posts: 442	I always thought "Firebeard" referred to the colour of their beards? ie. they were red-bearded Dwarves.

11-06-2001, 09:21 AM	#7
Kirinki54 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: European Union Posts: 463	Well, guys, I had sorta double meaning with my post. By 'fantastic passage' I was also refering to the situation itself. How on the reddest of Fire-beards could the Dwarves keep their enemies from attacking while they were parading away?!?

11-06-2001, 06:16 PM	#10
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	' I always thought "Firebeard" referred to the colour of their beards? ie. they were red-bearded Dwarves. ' Could be. That's what most people think. I'm not sure if the Dwarf-names were that literal though. Why, I ask you, are the Longbeards called the Longbeards? Are their beards actually longer than other varieties? The Longbeards themselves are made up of all the other tribes, since Durin had no people in the beginning. I think they were called Longbeards because their beards usually grew longer -- because they lived longer (this is said in Vol. XII). Anyway look at 'Stonefoots'. Surely their feet were not actually made of stone? Then again interpreting 'firebeard' as the colour of someone's hair really isn't very literal. To take it literally would be to assume that their beards were on fire. 'Red beards' and 'tough feet' are pretty good explanations for 'Firebeards' and 'Stonefoots', though I like 'haughty' and 'especial stone-lovers' better. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan