02-24-2004, 08:23 AM | #21 | |
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It's a local descision here in my area, and I say "no problem". They sent a letter home asking for parents opinions several years back. I wrote out a long reply stating reasons why I supported it. They have occasional dog sniffing locker searches but no tests yet. Once again, I have no fear of "loss" of anything here. All I personally see is a great opportunity to offer a simple, "concrete" reason for kids that are wobbly on their ideals, and used to tuning lectures from mom out (quite common in the mind of a 13 year old) to make the right choice. You only have one chance to bring your kid up. They only have only have one childhood. Drugs suck.
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02-24-2004, 11:15 AM | #22 | |
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Ironically, the drug which shows up most on drug tests is cannabis, which has just been downgraded. So you'll catch users more and punish them less.
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02-24-2004, 11:49 AM | #23 | |
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Start with random drug and alcohol testing of our legislators - after all, what they're doing is supposedly important- and work down from there. The most incredibly idiotic suggestion in all this is to require drug testing for after school activities. So some kid's on drugs and his friend asks him/her if they'd rather play badminton/chess/come to the science club- "of course, first you have to pee in the bottle" "Eh, no thanks, I'll just head over to the back alley instead" And let's just totally ignore all the empirical evidence that it just doesn't work- hey, why let facts interfere ?
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02-24-2004, 03:10 PM | #25 | |
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I believe the "after school activity test" would work more like this... "Here Caitlin, wanna smoke this joint with me?" After a quick thought Caitlin replies, " No, I really like being on the basketball team (school newspaper, naturalist club) and I don't want to get kicked off. No stinky joint for me!" I stated my personal empirical evidence. It would work! It would prevent some kids from drug use. (not all, that will never happen unfortunately) I personally observed (during my youth) that the schools doing nothing had no positive effect whatsoever. Well, anyway, I told my school board what I thought.
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Pot is really awful for you, but people have the right to do idiotic things to themselves. If we really want to crack down on unhealthy activities, why aren't we doing something about the two big ones? Forget pot when you have serious bullying, and childhood obesity in schools. What were the Indiana road blocks JD?
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02-25-2004, 01:41 AM | #29 | |
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[I have heard that these roadblocks occur in other parts of the USA as well. ] People must be very cautious of giving up liberties and freedoms for one perceived good or another. While it is easy to give up you freedom/liberty it is difficult to regain what you lost. I still think that testing for drugs should only be done when you have a reasonable suspicion of drug use. Not without just cause. Many schools (and work places too) get around this by making drug test mandatory before being permitted to participate in after school activities (or work). On this issue, I am less clear. It is not a given right to work in the workforce or participate in after school activities. But I still do not think it is right to test for drugs with out due cause. (I guess it is simpler not to due illegal drug. I guess I'll take what Rush was taking. )
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02-25-2004, 07:52 AM | #31 | |
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I do go with "reasonable cause" only, also. It would be too expensive, and mostly needless in many cases. Lot's of work places require you to pee in a cup before you get a job. (I remember my Goody Two Shoes daughter had to, before signing on at Wal Mart, it was rather funny, since she's as clean as a whistle) Get ready for the real world kiddos!
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