Lesser rings

[Fat middle]

Originally posted by Agburanar
The Hobbit wasn't originally anything to do with LotR. Dunno if that makes the situation any better??!!!

it couldn't, because LOTR hadn't been conceived when JRRT wrote The Hobbit.

but LOTR was originally intended to be consequent with The Hobbit (2nd edition)

[Dunadan]

Originally posted by Elf Girl
You forgot Elf ears.

But I thought elves didn't have ears?

But anyway, it seems that this particular aspect of the plot "shrunk in the telling": in the beginning we were supposed to see this as a world in which magic stuff like Rings, spells, etc was intrinsic and fairly commonplace; as the story unfolds, it shrinks to a smaller and smaller number of individuals and items, and becomes more "special".

Hey ho.

[Balrog_of_Morgoth]

The rings were made in Dol Guldur? Sorry, but that is not correct.

All the rings beside the One Ring of Sauron were made during the Second Age in Hollin of Eregion. Most if not all were forged by Celebrimbor. The seven and the nine were made with Saurons help, though. Then the three were made by Celebrimbor alone, though with knowledge gained from Sauron.

I suppose the lesser rings were made befoe Celebrimbor was under Sauron's (Annatar's) tutelage.

[Aeryn]

Originally posted by Dunadan
Does anyone know anything about the many other rings (apart from the Great Rings), "essays in the craft", which Gandalf mentions in The Shadow of the Past in FOTR

Also, when Tolkien talks about "Great Rings", does he mean the One, Three, Seven and Nine, or were there others?

(As usual, sorry if this has already been done. You can imagine that my search for "lesser rings" yielded a whole bunch of hits...)

cheers

d.

I don't have an answer for the first question, but for the second.

In the Council of Elrond Gimli says that a Rider came and offered them some of their old rings (their meaning the dwarves) in exchange for some valuable information. (the information being about Bilbo and his ring if I am not mistaken)

This gives the impression, to me, that those rings were expendable.

Perhaps he meant just the Elven Rings?

[Elf Girl]

Originally posted by Aeryn
In the Council of Elrond Gimli says that a Rider came and offered them some of their old rings (their meaning the dwarves) in exchange for some valuable information. (the information being about Bilbo and his ring if I am not mistaken)

This gives the impression, to me, that those rings were expendable.

I don't think so. The information about the One Ring would give Sauron the ability to take over ME, not to mention reclaim the Dwarf Ring he would have given them.

[Aragorn_of_the_west]

I agree with elf girl- Sauron didnt care about the 7 as much as for the 1, he could afford to give the ring up in exchange for his control over ME

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Aeryn
I don't have an answer for the first question, but for the second.

In the Council of Elrond Gimli says that a Rider came and offered them some of their old rings (their meaning the dwarves) in exchange for some valuable information. (the information being about Bilbo and his ring if I am not mistaken)

This gives the impression, to me, that those rings were expendable.

Perhaps he meant just the Elven Rings?

On the one hand, i don't think the Nazgul would have kept to their word. On the other hand, What powers would the dwarven rings have had that Sauron would be overly fussed over? If it led to the One Ring then surely it was worth it?

[Nurvingiel]

Who are potential candidates for having lesser rings then?

We know Saruman has one because he made himself one. What about Aragorn?

Do you think Saruman made Grima one too? Maybe it leant Grima some of Saruman's persuasive powers. I can't imagine why else anyone would listen to him.