Smeagol - Page 3

Fanëar · 03-14-2003, 09:22 PM

thats why I put the ? I had heard that so I was wondering

cassiopeia · 03-14-2003, 11:24 PM

Umm, Gollum makes Sam go blind when his loincloth falls off.

Fanëar · 03-14-2003, 11:28 PM

yea uh huh

englishnerd · 03-15-2003, 07:07 PM

I had a response to Gwaimir Windgem's comment about Gollum not being evil...you know, it depends on what you define as evil. Is the evil inherent in him, or is it the power to do evil that makes him evil? Because I think everyone in the film has at least one opportunity to do evil in some way. Galadriel has the opportunity to take the ring., so does Gandalf and Elrond and countless others. I don't think it's the opportunity to choose evil that defines a character as evil. It's the choices they make based on their character; Boromir chose to try to take the ring, but Aragorn did not. Thus, Boromir, though not an "evil" character (like an orc or the ringwraiths), did in fact do evil. So in one sense, everyone has the opportunity to do evil, everyone has a choice in every action, attitude, and word. hmmm...what do you think?

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-15-2003, 08:57 PM

Yes, I agree with you. Smeagol also 'did' evil, but I do not think he was evil. I see more as a starved and ancient Hobbit, tortured and driven by the Ring to madness.

Fanëar · 03-16-2003, 01:41 AM

i agree with you. i never really thought of it like that. im glad you brought another perspective into it.

03-14-2003, 09:22 PM	#41
Fanëar Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 43	thats why I put the ? I had heard that so I was wondering __________________ ~Fanëar~ "Aragorn, Le naa belegohtar" "Legolas, Le naa curucuar" ~Omentuva~

03-14-2003, 11:24 PM	#42
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Umm, Gollum makes Sam go blind when his loincloth falls off. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

03-14-2003, 11:28 PM	#43
Fanëar Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 43	yea uh huh __________________ ~Fanëar~ "Aragorn, Le naa belegohtar" "Legolas, Le naa curucuar" ~Omentuva~

03-15-2003, 07:07 PM	#44
englishnerd Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 39	I had a response to Gwaimir Windgem's comment about Gollum not being evil...you know, it depends on what you define as evil. Is the evil inherent in him, or is it the power to do evil that makes him evil? Because I think everyone in the film has at least one opportunity to do evil in some way. Galadriel has the opportunity to take the ring., so does Gandalf and Elrond and countless others. I don't think it's the opportunity to choose evil that defines a character as evil. It's the choices they make based on their character; Boromir chose to try to take the ring, but Aragorn did not. Thus, Boromir, though not an "evil" character (like an orc or the ringwraiths), did in fact do evil. So in one sense, everyone has the opportunity to do evil, everyone has a choice in every action, attitude, and word. hmmm...what do you think? __________________ "Wrestle with me; I want to name you." **************************** "Have you ever tried to get up with a sprained dignity?"---Mrs. Who from A Wrinkle in Time

03-15-2003, 08:57 PM	#45
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Yes, I agree with you. Smeagol also 'did' evil, but I do not think he was evil. I see more as a starved and ancient Hobbit, tortured and driven by the Ring to madness. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-16-2003, 01:41 AM	#46
Fanëar Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 43	i agree with you. i never really thought of it like that. im glad you brought another perspective into it. __________________ ~Fanëar~ "Aragorn, Le naa belegohtar" "Legolas, Le naa curucuar" ~Omentuva~

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