02-01-2003, 07:12 PM | #21 |
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Thanks for the backup Wayfarer Yeah werewolves are certainly not Maia, they are just fell creatures....
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02-03-2003, 07:05 AM | #22 |
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So what was Sauron's connection with werewolves? I thought that was one of his shape changing states. That's why Grond (the ram, not the hammer) had a wolf's head and why I was confused that the film that shall not be named showe him with a ram's head. Surely a wolf would have been more appropriate.
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02-03-2003, 07:27 AM | #23 |
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I think werevolwes are descendants of ordinary volwes who were captured and corrupted by Melkor in the First Age, just like Orcs are descended from Elves and Men.
The Great Spiders OTOH, were sprung from Ungoliant, who I think was a Maia corrupted by Melkor even before they descended into Arda.
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02-03-2003, 01:33 PM | #24 |
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Not all of the great spiders were offspring of Ungoliant. The first spiders that haunted Nan Dungortheb, soon after Angband was built, could possibly have been lesser Maiar for they are described as "foul creatures of spider form". This is perhaps where Ungoliant found mates after her flight into Beleraind.
Shelob was a decendent of the giant spiders of the glens of Nan Dungortheb and her offspring were found throughout the Ephel Duath, around Dol Guldur and in the fastnesses of Mirkwood. Interestingly, Tolkien originally planned to have a horde of spiders attack Sam and Frodo at Kirith Ungol before he decided on the one giant spider. |
02-03-2003, 03:37 PM | #25 |
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No, I don't think that Shelob is a maia. It doesn't make any sence, because if it was a maia it wouldn't have attacked Melkor (especially if Melkor corrupted it), knowing that he's much stronger then it.
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02-03-2003, 04:06 PM | #28 |
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Yes, it (can I call Ungoliant she?) did. In Lamoth, after they destroyed the two trees in Valinor.
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